Mumbai Attack Dossier of Evidence or Propaganda?

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1 SecondlIfe 01.09.09 at 5:41 pm

If you want to rip this thing apart, I would love be glad to be of any assistance

2 Owais Ehsan 01.09.09 at 6:56 pm

lolz…
the best the Raw directors can come up with…:D
even America’s war of terror has less loop holes than this

3 Crackerpotat0 01.09.09 at 9:46 pm

U remember Collin Powell coming to UN to present the findings of high tech US CIA fooling the whole world with the facts that Saddam has nuclear bomb even inside his pants and we all know what we got there. Now Parnab Mukherjee and Sonia Gandhi doing the same and trying to imitate USA but they don’t know Pakistan is or Iraq and India is not USA. They are the same people whom a bunch of Muslims ruled for centuries and hence no matter how much in numbers and with how much technology, they can not look at West without wearing a diaper :-p
By the way even East as well since Bangladesh hates them even more now.

4 Carl 01.10.09 at 12:52 am

I like the way it starts off ” Mumbai, the commercial capitol of India”
Cracks me up everytime I think about it :)
Why a report of evidence needs to boast about a city being comm cap of India etc.
It resembles the Indian dream world Bollywood in every bit of it, from the very first line.
What were those Bollywood directors thinking I wonder :)

5 Carl 01.10.09 at 1:23 am

It would be fair to say that while Indians expect Pakistanis to believe in their results of interrogating Kasab, they should have not only handed over the document, but also the man in question (kasab). After all, if he is a Pakistani, and Indians want Pakistan to investigate and arrest more people within Pakistan, then Pakistan has the right to investigate Kasab themselves as his evidence here is the most crucial one. Once Pakistanis have interrogated Kasab themselves, along with others, they should then reply to the accusations made by the Indians on this matter.
May I also add, that no witness statement given under custody is the final statement nor it can be used as evidence in any case, unless it is given in a court of law, in person. EVEN if an affidavit was written, in presence of the solicitors of oath, signed, and filed, it would still be invalid if the owner of the affidavit (who wrote it) couldnt appear in the court in person to back it up !!!
For all we know, kasab character may not exist at all, and if he does, he may already be dead, as it also seems strange how the only person caught alive is the one who posed for the camera!
So yes, handing over “Kasab” characted to Pakistan would be needed, if his evidence is to be used against Pakistan, within Pakistan, or in a court.

6 Raheel 01.10.09 at 1:55 am

@Carl
LOL…LOL….I went to the pictures page….
Acording to this “document” these “terrorists” also took with them a 10 kilo pack of Atta(in case the indians give them RATS to eat), Pickle(in case whole of india has run out?), Detergent powder (to wash their pants if they needed a change over on their mission?), tissue paper (in case they have to wipe the tears off the indian police?), Medicam dental cream (in case the indian police wants to check the dental security before allowing them through?), no tooth bush tho, A shaving cream (they should have had beards in the first place IF they had been strict Muslims as they were supposed to be, but everything goes in Bollywood), no razor?, no shaving cream brush?? (may be they would borrow that from the indians themselves or the hotel?? , Milk (just in case if the indians run out of milk from cows and instead they offer them cow pi$$..indians favourite drink currently), A towel (which is a scarf BTW).

This is very shoddy standard by far even by the standards of Lollywood ……
Now i am fully convinced, Indian movies should be banned from Pakistan, their standards are slipping too low…we cant stand such low quality bull*** ….at least they should improve the quality of their bull**** before they expect us to watch it…..we have our own silly Lollywood, which is bad enough

7 Indian 01.10.09 at 4:19 pm

Ok. Now that Pakistani government has owned up to Kasab being a Pakitani what do you guys have to say? Also can I ask why your National Security Advisor had to be fired for stating the same thing?

8 Abdul rehman 01.10.09 at 11:26 pm

In regards to dossier of evidence, it seems that you have been totally washed by media and right now can’t make anything in positive development of your country. I quote from Dawn : There is ample proof to support that attacks were planned within Pakistan and other 9 terrorists were also from within it’s territories. Now it is just the question of US pressing it to extradite whoever directed this dirty movie.

@raheel
No one expects you to watch bollywood movies, but if you do, it will certainly help us boost the economy.we know we are dumb, dont watch.

9 Raheel 01.11.09 at 12:21 am

@Indian.
OK to what ?
We are saying the same thing every one has been saying all along except the Indians. This is a bollywood drama, thats as much truth there is in this.
Indian media while being controlled by its racist govt (who itself is giving in to the Hindu fundamentalists who want a Minority free India), has been telling and selling you Indians a load of bollywood drama, and you Indians are buying it, only because its against your enemy no 1. It increasingly seem that your media has a blind fold on your eyes, and instead of seeing the truth, Indians are adamant to believe govt’s drama which is only there to avert your attention from what was going on just before the elections. Just like Bush always uses the US “Security” to win the votes, the racist elements in Indian politics (I am sure you know who they are, and Modi is probably just the tip of this iceberg) have also played with the Indian voters just before the elections. Otherwise, I dont see Pakistan gaining much from the timing of these attacks….Even the Indians know that Indian govt has always used the border security issue in the past either around the elections, or when a scandal is about to be revealed to use it as a shield to cover up their sh**.
Well, Yes you can ask why the National Security Advisor was fired, but we are open to hear your side of the story too. And while you are at it, perhaps you can also enlighten us on why Indian Minority Affairs Minister Abdul Rahman Antulay HAD TO “resign” under pressure from Congress, RSS, and BJP ?? All Mr Antulay said was that Karkare’s murder could be linked to Malegaon investigation…thats all….
Since you Indians are followers of pro-Pak then I assume you can read it here??
http://www.pro-pakistan.com/2008/12/26/hindu-terrorists-first-karkare-suspiciously-murdered-now-indian-minority-affairs-minister-%E2%80%9Cresigns%E2%80%9D/

10 Indian 01.12.09 at 10:48 am

My Dear Friends,

Can you find a link / statement from your officials conforming the origin of this document ?

I’m sure that the “Pro Pakistan” can come up with some statement from the Pakistan Officials on it.

Let us discuss thereafter.

11 asma 01.12.09 at 11:28 am

@Raheel,Carl,

Hey bros, keep up the good work! I thoroughly enjoyed your comments. Bet the Indians are pulling out their hair, i.e if they are not busy planning another attack on their own people, to blame Pakistan.

12 Indian 01.12.09 at 11:42 am

@asma…

Ohh..yes..we do ..Pulling out our wepons….We are very proud of our Army men and we knew our strengths…

If we had a leaders like you guys having…(all the sectors / dept. have their own opinion and power)…The world map would have been re-created with out any trace of Pakistan.

And you Raheel, using Abusing statements is what all you and your Pakistanis can do.

Whatever you guys do or try to sponsor..you can’t just shake any single stone of Indian democracy.

Ours is a United Nation where All religion is getting the most care.
And Our Indian Muslim Bro. are treated & live in a Better way as compaared to those in Pakistan.

So Keep yelling & throwing stones at India and Remember, we will have to do it ones and for all….

13 Raheel 01.12.09 at 3:26 pm

@Indian,
since when have you started listening to our leaders, cos you werent listening much when they were denying it??
And I still dont see reply from you for my earlier question about Antulay ?
“If we had a leaders like you guys having…(all the sectors / dept. have their own opinion and power)”000
Yes you are right though about our leaders…on the other hand you live in a country with so called democracy, where people are not allowed to have their opinion otherwise they have to resign or will be burnt alive, or will be killed in another BULLYwood drama like mumbai attacks.
“The world map would have been re-created with out any trace of Pakistan.”
Can you please eleborate a little here as its not clear what you are talking about here??
“.you can’t just shake any single stone of Indian democracy.
LOL…..you make me laugh really….you dont have to go far…just read some articles here at pro-Pak to find some FINE examples of your GENOCIDAL, FILTHY, CORRUPT, RACIST govt which you refer to as democracy here….democracy my a**.
“where All religion is getting the most care”
Yes, Christians got lots of CARE from Hindus, and RSS in particular. Modi also extended his CARING arm to these poor Christians whose only fault was to believe in one God!! Yes, Sikhs got lots of CARE in 1984!! Muslims got lots of care in Gujrat….and even Dalits get so much care that 3 Dalit women are raped EVERY SINGLE DAY in your india……you call it “caring”……very sickening terminology to describe a a hindu govt, black dot in the name of humanity.
“And Our Indian Muslim Bro”
hahahahaha……Muslims are supposed to be brothers regardless of where they come from…however, since you claim the Indian Muslims are your brothers, then how many of these “brothers” did you murder in Gujrat? How many of these Brother’s children did you burn alive??
“Indian Muslim Bro. are treated & live in a Better way as compared to those in Pakistan”
Any proof, any stats from the UN or an independent body to back your claims??
Remember india is a place where these guys had to even carry a 10kg atta pack for themselves….hahaha….amazing place where so called terrorist must carry their own atta and achaar with them…Incredible Indiaaaaaaaa!!
“So Keep yelling & throwing stones at India and Remember, we will have to do it ones and for all….
Dont worry my dear Indian “BROTHER”….Pakistan is not Palestine, and regardless of what indians dream when they are awake (and asleep probably too), india isnt israel either. We dont have only stones to throw, and people like you who spread their filth a lot, will be the first ones to run :)
we are happy to fight any time, just india keeps backing off….so yeh we are ready to annihilate and be annihilated any time, you will choose the time, and we will chose how !
Besides, we may not have to throw the stones at you, as your own Dalits/Sikhs, Christians,Jews and Muslims (and other minorities)have suffered long enough from Racist Hindu domination, and they are actually doing a pretty good job so far anyway. Your comments just shows that in india, where people like you wish for fundamentalist terrorist like Modi to become your next prime minister, has enough of its own fire to burn for centuries to come, should not put their hand in fire elsewhere too. You may be able to oppress those minorities, but Pakistanis are ready more than ever after these attacks to defend themselves.
Yeh mu aur massoor kee daal. Pehlay apnee chohay khatee qaum ka to khyal ker lo, baad mae doosro ko ankhen dikha lena.
hindu ek Bhukee, Nangee Qaum. Mu mae khana nahin, jism per kapra nahin, aur **** mae dumm nahin, aur chalae hae laraee karney :)

14 Indian 01.13.09 at 6:52 am

@ Raheel

Waha bhai Waha…..App ne kya baath kyaa hai..”DUMM” Kaaa….

Kindly take out your time and study history..the progress in these country..rather than sitting and watching only Bollywood Movies…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_conflict

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Surrender_(1971)

15 Indian 01.13.09 at 7:10 am

@ Raheel

16 Indian 01.13.09 at 11:24 am

@ Raheel….

Have you heard about this ??

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Finally_minister_admits_Kasab_is_a_Pakistani/rssarticleshow/3948424.cms

17 asma 01.13.09 at 1:18 pm

@Indian, just to add to your misery…’ If we had leaders like you guys…etc’ believe me, I too wish we had leaders like those in my country and unlike the Indian leaders who cry wolf to get attention all the time and shed crocodile (dossiers) tears.

18 Indian 01.13.09 at 4:28 pm

@ asma…

Well let us just wait n see my dear…who is gonna cry…..

Abhi tho aap ka leadear accept kiya ki Kasab has roots in Pakistan..

BTW..ur leaders denied that in the first place even after his father confirmed that..but they will not allow even independent body or international press to visit his home town or meet his parents…, right ? Courage/ bravery what is it called in your place ??

Kya leaders hai bhai…. Apni muluk ki leader ko shoot kiya..and that too in a crowd…doesn’t even have guts to put up enquiry …what a country and what sort of leaders…Mabarook ho aap ko !!!!

19 Raheel 01.13.09 at 11:54 pm

@indian (rejected by the indian sites?) :)
“.App ne kya baath kyaa hai..”DUMM” Kaaa….”
Please now either say that in english, or hindi, as you obviously breaking the arms of “Urdu” here . as it doesnt really make sense.
“the progress in these country..rather than sitting and watching only Bollywood Movies…”
no one is talking about your progress here, so please show your progress and your bullywood to someone who doesn’t know already.
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“Abhi tho aap ka leadear accept kiya ki Kasab has roots in Pakistan”
Ager aap ki leader se itnee hee achee rishtay daree thee, to uss ki baat uss waqt bhee sun laytat jub woh iss baat se inkaary thaa :)
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“.but they will not allow even independent body or international press to visit his home town or meet his parents…, right ? Courage/ bravery what is it called in your place ??”
FBI visited the place already. So in “our place” (called Pakistan in case you are still living in pre 1947 times) it would be called your LIE sir.
in fact, the indian govt refuses to have a joint investigation, and says that they will only provide the “results” of “interrogation”….may be you were refereeing to this Courage/ bravery ???
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Apni muluk ki leader ko shoot kiya..and that too in a crowd…doesn’t even have guts to put up enquiry
Woh sirf leader nahi, uss ki biwi bhee thee (as i already said , in case you are still living in pre 1947 times!)
Ager app guts ki baat klertay hae to phir woh crowd mae hee shoot kyoo kerta ager uss mae guts hi naa hotay……aap ki guts ki definition kuch tassaverana hae hamaray khyalat kay mutabiq :)
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“what a country and what sort of leaders…Mabarook ho aap ko ”
Bohat Bohat Kher Mubarak . Jazak Allah. . Aur aap ko Aap kay Racist, Fundamentalist, jaahal, gunwaar, Choohay khanay wali, aur apna hee peshaab peenay walay leader bhee Mubarak hoooooooooooooooooooooo
:) :) :)

20 Indian 01.14.09 at 8:26 am

@ Raheel,

Hey…You never bother to reply on the topic…Which you started off “Dumm”…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_conflict

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Surrender_(1971)

App ko kya lagatha hai…these information’s are not enough to prove the courage and guts ??

Or you will deny that as well ?? BTW..the FBI visted Kasab’s place and as soon as your Govt. came to know about the information’s they sealed the access to that place..That is what happened.
Not even the Pakistan media were allowed to visit that place or bring kasab’s father in to public.

Aur Rahi Baath Anthly kaa.He is still very much in Indian Cabinet. If He / Indian Muslims thinks that he was targeted by Hindu Racist ,as you think / imagine, how can a person still survive in that ministry ?
Or is it something your so call Pure(Pakistani) Islam teaches ?? I don’t think that Indian Muslims need to learn about the Religion from You guys.

And Youe..You guys don’t deserve to talk or discuss about India’s progress..You can just dream…never ever even reach close …how can you talk about India’s progess ??? hi hi hi
Ohh you are talking about Post 1947 & pre 1947 ..but still have no guts and conduct enquiry on that death ..ehhh ???

What do you thin Raheel…You ppls might have invite LeT to your cities feed them with good Biriyani & other food stuff and allow them to attack your people / cities… (Opps Not even a single Muslim Bro is getting attacked on those issues..Whole world noted this point ..Dont’ worry ) not us. And Your so called soldiers comes from Karachi/Lahore vie PIA to Mumbai Airport and conduct the attack and then go back naa..so that they get good food in the Aircraft and all…What kind of a person you are..Well you should get trained by the LeT. Go and Apply for that…They will teach how to spare Muslims and attack only Indian Hindus…Correct ???

21 Chris Hayes 01.14.09 at 10:01 am

As this is starting to descend into incoherant one upmanship and insults, time to return vaguely to track.

Evidance aside where would you be happy any persons connected to this be tried? The US? Historically one of the three supporting pillars of Pakistan, but currently quite anti anything terrorist connected for I think the chances of a fair trial aren’t good.
The UK? Traditional base for Pakistani political and activist groups, and the training centre of Pak officiers, when they aren’t being insulted by royalty (that chap incidentally was top of his class). The judiciary doesn’t seem to follow the government much in its desires and the terrorist trials have not been to the home officies satisfaction.
India? Whatever the pros and cons having it go on for 20 years could be benificial.
Other European country? Indifferent it seems to most of the worlds problems would at least be a neutral territory.
One of the well run Muslim countries? Which pretty much limits it to Turkey and Iran judiciary wise. Maybe Malyasia.

22 Chris Hayes 01.14.09 at 11:00 am

Oh do you have a copy of the report given to the pak embassy/ministery? Has the voice recordings and stuff in the original language and all that?

23 Indian 01.17.09 at 7:46 pm

@ Raheel,Asma,SecondlIfe,Carl,Owais Ehsan

>>> ANY COMMENT ?????

“”Quite a lot of material” was provided by India and the Pakistani investigators will work to convert this into “evidence that can stand up….”

http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/jan/17mumterror-pak-probe-team-will-submit-26-11-report-in-10-days.htm

http://www.samaylive.com/news/mumbai-attacks-pak-admits-india-gave-good-clues/604796.html

http://english.sina.com/world/2009/0117/212381.html

http://www.aol.in/news-story/Pakistan-acknowledges-leads-and-good-clues-from-India/2009011711139022000006

http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/jan/17mumterror-pak-probe-team-will-submit-26-11-report-in-10-days.htm

24 Hannan 01.18.09 at 9:27 am

@ Indian

Unfortunately India dont want to see a stable Pakistan. And this is not i’m saying, this is what ur own analysts say. Pls read this:

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/?p=354

If this will be India’s thinking than how can they allow Pakistan to live peacefully. India always try to destabalise Pakistan through different ways. This current incident is an example how India wants hurt Pakistan’s reputation globally. There are very strong evidences that Indian’s intelligence is involved in our western border and giving weapons to traitors. India is also playing effective role to help anti-pakistan people in Baluchistan.

The bottom line is that we India and Pakistan cannot have good relations unless both sides will finish their roles in each other borders. For this India is also equally responsible for destabalising Pakistan. But what India dont know is that a destable Pakistan is even more dangerous for India than a stable. We have a very strong and high moral army which is ready to give their lives for Pakistan. India should accept Pakistan a reality and its dream of greater India will never be fullfilled. When this dream will be wiped out, all problems will be solved. Untill than people of both nations should be prepared for troubles.

25 Malik Bhai 01.18.09 at 5:11 pm

@ Hannan…
you got only army nothing else and thats the problem. if your army is high morale and strong then why did you guys removed musharraf? he was a general for your high morale and strong army and he should have led your country very well.
The fact is that your army is very strong for you to control and is nothing when compared to Indian army.

26 Nishant 01.18.09 at 8:16 pm

@Malik,
I am surprised that my fellow Indians are not heppy with Musharaf and not happy without him. he was an army general, and didnt come in power by election. how simpler can it be?
The fact unforunately is that most of the indians still live in a pre 1947 world. and they still wish for Pakistan to be part of India. They have still not accepted its existance. Our politicians are ready to waste our hard earned money on defence, while we struggle to get by, and while many resort to suicides due to difficulties they face.
Hannan is correct, if our people can not stop living in 1947, then both nations can not be peaceful. And before any one asks, there is no reason for Indians to think that Pakistanis have not accepted existance of India. Pakistan was born out of India, so there is no such question, just our corrupt politicians want our public to forget about food, and think about killing muslims.
those who think that Pakistan army is nothing, then it strikes me as very strange why pakistan still exists, and has taken part of Kashmir successfully that we claim to be ours, despite all our efforts to detabilise it.

27 Raheel 01.19.09 at 11:12 pm

@indian (rejected by the indian sites?) :)
Sorry, I lost track of this thread. So here is your answer with your words as quoted.
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Well here is another indian quoting Wiki. Here is a bit more about your “source of information” Wiki:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Examples_of_bias_in_Wikipedia
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“App ko kya lagatha hai…these information’s are not enough to prove the courage and guts ??”
regarding your link you posted, only a handfull of tribal men were enough to cause india to deploy thousands of Indian troops, and even then you had to ask the US the to intervene to stop your further losses. These men went in, did their job, and when asked by the US, got out of there. IF India had such “courage and guts” then how comes they went asking to the US to ask Nawaz Sharif to pull his men out? If indians were so courageous, then how comes ration of Indian army was so high? IF indians had any courage then how comes the tribal men still managed to pull out of there? IF indians were victorious as they claim, then the attackers wouldnt have been able to pull out after doing their bit. The war was fought on the indian part, they fought on the indian side and then Pakistani side pulled out, and that in no way means an indian victory. regardless of what india claims. Pakistan claimed victory, because indians and the US both wanted Pakistani side to pull back, and hence admitting that they didnt want to fight any more. IF they were victorious then they should have carried on, and be victorious. IF it was not for Nawaz, and Clinton, today the map of Kashmir may have been a different one. IF Pervez Musharaf who lead kargil war had not won the war, then the army simply wouldnt have supported him to be the country’s leader, and to support him against the govt for his take over. Obviously no army men would have chosen a weak leader in the first place. But India despit all the above logic still claims victory, despite knowing the Nawaz was only making US happy by pulling the men back (in which process many of these brave men lost their lives). India knew, that if Pakistan holds on to the Peaks of Kargil and Dras blocking the supply path, All Indian troops (many 1000’s) on the Siachin Glacier would have perished simply for lack of supplies (except drinking each others p1ss as thats their favourite drink apparently). Just a matter of time !
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There are MANY other examples of hindu cowards. Just look at kashmir as an example, it is the highest civilian to army ration in the world. IF indians were so couragous, then they wouldnt need such mighty power and numbers to be present against these people.
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Another example of indian cowards is the Khalistan conflict of 1984, where thousands were deployed to fight a few hundred.
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Another examples of indian cowardliness is Orissa conflict where Christians were being killed, only because they left hinduism. IF hindus were so courageous, then they wouldnt always gather a mob before attacking a single person. Same in the Khalistan conflict, hindus would not dare to fight one to one, only when they gather a mob.
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Another example of the indian cowardliness is the recent Mumbai attacks. 3000+ trained men to counter 10. IF indians had ANY guts, and courage, they should have sent 10 of their men against them and see what happens :)
3000+ men, and still almost 200 dead. SHAME ON THOSE “TRAINED” MEN.
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regarding kasab: http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=63687
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“If He / Indian Muslims thinks that he was targeted by Hindu Racist ,as you think / imagine, how can a person still survive in that ministry ?”
So how comes he was made to resign under the pressure from your Racist Sangh, and BJP party?
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“Or is it something your so call Pure(Pakistani) Islam teaches ?? I don’t think that Indian Muslims need to learn about the Religion from You guys.”
HAHAHA..LOL…..may be they can learn worshipping cows and drinking their piss from the hindus then???
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“And Youe..You guys don’t deserve to talk or discuss about India’s progress..You can just dream…never ever even reach close …how can you talk about India’s progess ??? hi hi hi”
Well as far as I can see, this topic is about India’s “progress” in making up fake evidence like a 10 kilo bag of ATTA…LOl…:)
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“Ohh you are talking about Post 1947 & pre 1947 ..but still have no guts and conduct enquiry on that death ..ehhh ???
Please explain what exactly r u on about ?
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“What do you thin Raheel…You ppls might have invite LeT to your cities feed them with good Biriyani & other food stuff and allow them to attack your people / cities”
Well, just like Bollywood movies, these people set of to kill hundreds, with a bag of ATTA, so I suppose they couldnt have taken the “biryani” then…LOL….are you really retarded or just pretending here? Why would they take a 10kg bag of ATTA with them when they were going on a terrorist mission??….do u really think they were gonna cook it on their guns when they got hot enough after firing? or did you guys alsp find the Tawa, or even a whole TANDOOR with them too……hahahaha….or were they gonna borrow the hotel kitchen in their “break time”…LOL…??? and who was gonna prepare the dough for them?????……DUHH :) :) :)
Come out of your dream world mate. they were better off carrying grenades, than carrying a 10kg bad of ATTA, even the biryani would have been a BIT QUICKER….LOL….
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“And Your so called soldiers comes from Karachi/Lahore vie PIA to Mumbai Airport and conduct the attack and then go back naa..so that they get good food in the Aircraft and all…What kind of a person you are..”
LOL….According to indians, they were gonna do their own Chapattis, in the rubber dinghy …..LOL….
These are probably the VERY FIRST “terrorist” (more like bolly wood acters) who will carry a 10 kg bag of ATTA to make their own dough, and own Chapattis, in the rubber dinghy……….
Only possible in “The Incredible India” hahahaha
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“Well you should get trained by the LeT. Go and Apply for that…They will teach how to spare Muslims and attack only Indian Hindus…Correct ???”
LOL……i dont think you have been even reading your own bollywood style news……..even they were asking for foreigners….. :)
Check your facts before you open your mouth, cos otherwise its getting a bit embarrassing for you here.

28 Indian 01.20.09 at 6:35 am

@ Raheel,

Still you are not having any answer…ehhh ??

The no of Wars happened between you & India and on the result… GOOD !!

And you don’t have any other better reason than looking it to India’s internal matters..

But You must understand that even though there are issues , You guys were the loosers in the latest KARGIL war !!!

Go n Celeberate that FIRST then try to learn about India….!!!!

And If you still belive that the information given (the “ATTA”) are fake…why would you Govt. Say “Quite a lot of material” was provided by India and the Pakistani investigators will work to convert this into “evidence that can stand up….”

http://www.aol.in/news-story/Pakistan-acknowledges-leads-and-good-clues-from-India/2009011711139022000006

Do you, the most inteligent man, Raheel have any answer to that ???

29 Raheel 01.20.09 at 10:47 pm

@Indian,
even a blind would be able to see I replied to you above…..but I think you are just a retard, nothing else….and you have nothing better to say then simply stress that someone MUST understand….when I already gave you the reasons, that regardless of your claims to “win” Kargil, you are the losers.
here it is again:
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Only a handfull of tribal men were enough to cause india to deploy thousands of Indian troops, and even then you had to ask the US the to intervene to stop your further losses. These men went in, did their job, and when asked by the US, got out of there. IF India had such “courage and guts” then how comes they went asking to the US to ask Nawaz Sharif to pull his men out? If indians were so courageous, then how comes ration of Indian army was so high? IF indians had any courage then how comes the tribal men still managed to pull out of there? IF indians were victorious as they claim, then the attackers wouldnt have been able to pull out after doing their bit. The war was fought on the indian part, they fought on the indian side and then Pakistani side pulled out, and that in no way means an indian victory. regardless of what india claims. Pakistan claimed victory, because indians and the US both wanted Pakistani side to pull back, and hence admitting that they didnt want to fight any more. IF they were victorious then they should have carried on, and be victorious. IF it was not for Nawaz, and Clinton, today the map of Kashmir may have been a different one. IF Pervez Musharaf who lead kargil war had not won the war, then the army simply wouldnt have supported him to be the country’s leader, and to support him against the govt for his take over. Obviously no army men would have chosen a weak leader in the first place. But India despite all the above logic still claims victory, despite knowing the Nawaz was only making US happy by pulling the men back (in which process many of these brave men lost their lives). India knew, that if Pakistan holds on to the Peaks of Kargil and Dras blocking the supply path, All Indian troops (many 1000’s) on the Siachin Glacier would have perished simply for lack of supplies (except drinking each others p1ss as thats their favourite drink apparently). Just a matter of time !
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regarding the ATTA:
LOl…..i dont believe the ATTA is fake….hahahaha…I am not sure about idnia where people are urged to eat RATS, but in Pakistan it is easy to buy a pack of ATTA. Obviously you have missed the point totally once again. read my reply to you again and you might get the point this time, let me know if you dont, and I will copy paste just like i did about kargil above :)
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evidence:
You yourself are quoting the words that “Pakistani investigators will work to convert this into “evidence that can stand up….”
LOL……..just read the words and you will see (IF you can) that obviously IT IS NOT an evidence that can currently stand up!!! They HAVE TO WORK to make it good enough to be presentable!!! There is a lot of ATTA, Lentils, and rice crops there too, but need to at least have some evidence so Pakistanis will try to help you under the pressure from the US where India has been begging for help!!!! Otherwise Pakistan govt would have simply told you where to stick ALL of that ATTA !!!

30 pakistani 01.21.09 at 7:24 am

@indian
you talk like crazy and way too emotional here is the reply what you were asking from raheel
1. “dumm”" no one has dumm in these scenario neither you nor anyone else reason being its world of IT and nuclear warfare we have less to loose and you have a long border to share and to cover
2. “evidinces truth” if india knew that this was going to happen y didnt india stop that as your own minister for foreign affair says” india calculated it before time” then why didnt u people gave the proof earlier, or india was just waiting to make it an issue.
3. “atta” i waont talk that terrorist were taking atta and stuff along with them or not,i will just ask one thing from you guys , why the hell on earth will aterrorist group who is going on suecidal attack will ever ask for administrative help and why the hell they need these stuff
4. ” bogus story” i will call it a bogus story on following reasons which raheel missed
a. poeople going for attack has a team leader who is wholly souly reponsible for every act of his group, why the hell in telephonic conversation the team leader kept on asking and calling his so called big boss what to do what to do,were they on a holiday trip for kissing ashwerya.
b. india gave details of bodies why body of chinese tourist is not there in that list which was mentioned in the telephonic conversation of so called terrorist and his boss.

look mr indian there is nothing wrong with anyone look into your own collar and let me know

31 Malik bhai 01.21.09 at 10:27 am

@raheel dude pls clarify

“Only a handfull of tribal men were enough to cause india to deploy thousands of Indian troops”

do you mean your Army is basically tribal and still you are controlled by them.. Shame on you… get some self respect…you guys are definitely living in Stoneage.. Thank god America didnt waste any bombs on you…as mentioned in Musharraf’s biography.

32 Chris Hayes 01.21.09 at 12:39 pm

Just to point out its dangerous to believe that you’ve won wars in the past, especially without tangable gains to point to. When that thinking goes as far as the military itself things rarely end well. Professional militaries try to avoid such beliefs instead looking at areas that worked and areas that didn’t. Pakistan certainly became overconfident military wise by 1971 and paid a heavy price.
fundementally any observer of the sub continent today sees india in a good position with Pakistan resentful. India is quite happy for the LoC to become the border (tis the least expensive option anyway). This view is bolstered by events like teh Shimla agreement and events such as India not pressing forward militarily in 1971.
Indeed today Pakistan has far more to lose than India in any territorial competition. With increasing internal troubles history could well repeat with a further division of Pakistan from the North and Balochstan. Historically Pakistan has dealt poorly with nationalism, relying on Islam as a unifying factor rather than more inclusive methods - or using hatred of India which doesn’t work if you see it as a potential ally against the centre - and only extreme internal repression stopped the baloch problems before. Can that sort of policy be carried out today with increased media coverage of Pakistan?
In some reguards the situation is similar to Israel. With constant agression towards two of its nieghbours Pakistan faces a hostile locality. Ironically the stance has probably made it less safe not more, but that is often the way with military objectives and interpretations rather than more diplomacy and soft power being used. Combined with daunting internal challenges to the legitimacy of the state in some areas and you have a situation that India and Afghanistan can easily manipulate, and further have reason to seek to destablise Pakistan.
Through in gas in Balchstan (just imagine India helping set up extraction facilities in independant Balachstan) and Pakistan really has more to worry about than helping an insurgency in Kashmire that has done nothing to endear it to its large nieghbour.

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