Muslim Pakistan has a Hindu minority, many of whom are impoverished agricultural workers, but the women in the southern city of Hyderabad rejected what they called pressure by mostly Hindu India to ban the Jamaat-ud-Dawa charity.
“How can an organization be terrorist if it’s been providing food and water to us despite knowing that we’re not Muslims?†said Biga Ram, a 40-year protester.
“They’re friends of humanity. We condemn the ban. It’s unjust,†she said.
Some of the banners read: “Do not ban our saviour!â€
Bhai Chand, a Hindu community leader, told Associated Press the charity had set up water wells in the desert.
The protesters gathered outside the Hyderabad press club chanting slogans in support of the charity and holding banners with messages such as: “Jamaat-ud-Dawa is not terrorist†and “We condemn the banning of Jamaat-ud-Dawa under Indian pressureâ€.
Pakistan has not yet formally banned the charity but has rounded up dozens of its activists, detained some of its leaders, shut its offices and frozen its bank accounts as part of a crackdown on suspected Islamists since the Mumbai attacks.
India says the charity is a front for the banned Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) militant group, which it says was set up by Pakistan to fight Indian rule in the disputed Kashmir region. (Source: Pakistan Ka Khuda Hafiz Blog)
I was browsing through the blogosphere when i came across an interesting blog post highlighting the fact that a lot of peaceful protests are taking place all across the country against the illegal banning of Jamaat Ud Daawa and labelling it a terrorist organization. I wonder what proof United Nations showed to the world before coming out with this dictation? Is it the same quality of proof which they showed to the world before attacking Iraq? Remember those designer images of Weapon of Mass Destruction present in abundance in Iraq which later proved to be the fantasies of some fanatic in the Pentagon?
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you know why churches were burnt in orissa. some so called charity organisations were selling food/water for conversion. no minority in any country should go against majority and whats happening in pakistan is same. how much representation the so called poweful minorities get in pakistan. have u ever had any Hindu in a important post. we had a muslim president the biggest available job in India. you converted Yousuf yohana to muslim otherwise he couldnt have been a captain. shame on you.
wow! there are hindus left in Pakistan??!! better ask pakistan’s conservation fund to invest some money as there are hardly any left, as they’re soon going to be extinct. Now they are critically endangered already. Or perhaps we can ask Jamat Dawwa to take some conservation initiative LOL.. poor thing, since muslims protested in delhi against pak and disallowed terrorist bodies to be buried, pakistanis coerced their endangered species to do the same.
There are Hindu’s in Pakistan and the picture above is the last surviving people. PLease preserve this picture and one day show it to your kids.
If Paks thinks they are secular and broad minded about other religion
Why ISLAMIC Republic of Pakistan
Why not - Secular Republic of Pakistan
Can someone pls anser
Also as Indians we don’t care about Hindus in Pakistan !!!!
For us Indians are Indians be it any religion …. and Hindus living in Pakistan - pakistanis thats it !!!
any kind of misionaries should be killed. i agree. for whatever religion.
hahahah, es bechari ko ye bhi nahi pata hoga ki poster main likha kya hai…
bus usko jabardusti khda kar diya
“Why ISLAMIC Republic of Pakistan” because its an ISLAMIC republic.
“you converted Yousuf yohana to muslim otherwise he couldnt have been a captain.”
On the contrary, infact he converted himself :) At least he became a Muslim, just go and look at how many are leaving hinduism, and becoming Budhist and Christian and Muslims amongst other things!!! so shame on hinduism and hindus for treating their own like this….just look at the staggering numbers in these news:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6050408.stm
http://www.southasianconnection.com/blogs/350/Hindus-Convert-to-Buddhism-in-India.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/untouchable-hindus-convert-to-buddhism-615722.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/indias-untouchables-turn-to-buddhism-in-protest-at-discrimination-by-hindus-419870.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmafp/is_200705/ai_n19173719
“wow! there are hindus left in Pakistan??”
yup, ignorance can be a bliss “sometimes” i guess. shows how little you care to know about the country you scream loudest about!!!
“hahahah, es bechari ko ye bhi nahi pata hoga ki poster main likha kya hai…
bus usko jabardusti khda kar diya”
Mr Rocky Blabota Jabardast, Is bechari ko khana bhee shaid aap hee moo mae daltay ho gay, otherwise woh khana bhee shaid apnay kaan mae daal lae gee……….
please think twice before you underestimate someone intelligence !!!
@Hindustani! Valid points! :-)
i dont intend to talk bout religion but we have no reservations about buddhism as sidartha gauthamma (buddha) is considered to be an avatar of vishnu, just as krishna and rama are. buddhism is based on the concepts of hinduism entirely: the fundamentals of buddhism - dharma, karma, moksha - are all fundamental hindu principles. Anyway also 6 mil muslims leave islam in 2006 in sub saharan africa. millions of christians leave the faith yearly. so what does that prove? the only point here is hinduism has diminished from pakistan from 10% to under 1% today.
@Buddhism
“i dont intend to talk bout religion â€
But you are still going to anyway right ??
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“but we have no reservations about buddhism as sidartha gauthamma (buddha) is considered to be an avatar of vishnu, just as krishna and rama are. â€
A bit confused, which one of these are hindu gods again?
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“buddhism is based on the concepts of hinduism entirely: the fundamentals of buddhism - dharma, karma, moksha - are all fundamental hindu principles.â€
better tell this to the 100s of 1000s converting to budhism from hinduism. IF budhism and hinduism were SO similar religions, then I wonder why hindus would need to leave hinduism at such alarge scale!!!
What is the point of having †dharma, karma, moksha†if the very religion itself divides people within the same religion, and makes some of then “untouchables†who can not even sit at the same level as a fello “hinduâ€, and some of them “brahmans / pundits†who can rape who they want, and demand what they want from the lower casts!!!! what is the point of self declaring this dharma, karma, moksha if the religion itself declares that people even following the same religion arent even equals!!!! no wonder Buddhism branched out, no wonder Sikhism branched out, and no wonder so many hindus leave this self disseminating, self destructive, for the ones that teach them equality and above all, “humanity†!!!
Oh so you think there’s no branching in Islam? immediately after Muhammad’s death in the year 632: Islam splintered into the Sunni and Shia sects, which always were at each other’s throats; Kharijis, who provided the first major schism within Islam; Alawis, who broke away from the Shiites in the 9th century; Ahmadiyyahs, who believe their founder was a renovator of Islam, a position other Muslims consider to be heretical; the Wahhabis, who flay the rest of the Sunnis; the Ismailis, earlier known as the Hashishi or the Malahida (”impious heretics”); Druzes, whom most Muslims consider blasphemous since they declared that God was manifested in human form as the Egyptian caliph al Hakim Bi-amr Allah 1,000 years ago, and who do not accept new members and often pose as members of the dominant religion where they live; Salafis, Nusayris, Fatimids, Musta’lians, Qarmatians… and so on and so forth — OK? And this just in the 1400 years Islam has existed, what more the many thousands of years Hinduism has existed? Such offshoots are present in all mahjor religions.
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You think there is no caste in Islam? Haven’t you heard Zamindar, lohar-thrukkhan, meerasi-naie in your society? never heard of oonchi zat and neechi zat? Amongst muslims, Syed, Sheikh, Pathan, Khan and Mallik are high caste; Ansari, Kunjra, Churihara are low cast. Even Muhammad Tughlaq ruled with caste system as a primary need to gain entrance into his court. Mukhtaran Mai in Pakistan, a low caste woman who was gang raped by upper caste men. Ghazala Shaheen is another case. Read Ayesha Jalal’s book “Democracy and Authoritarianism in South Asia”.
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So what has Islam done? Why, we saw how you guys persecuted the Bengalis caling them 2nd class citizens. How about that? So fix your caste and clan system before dealing with ours. atleast we have dalit parties who is today ruling India’s most populous states. so talk about equals mr. hindustani. poor thing, Allah is the one god but still Sunni kill Kurd (Iraq), Shia kill Sunni (Iran), Sunni kill Shia (Saudi) Sunni persecute Ahmadi (Pakistan).. now that is even worse. Pakistan is the FIRST country on earth to call Ahmadis as Dhimmis and even BANNED THEM FROM PRAYING in Mosque and saying Assalamualaikum!!!
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You say Hinduism divides. Ok so tell me now how united Muslim countries are? Iran vs Iraq, Pak vs Afghanistan, Kuwait vs Iraq…. Where is the place most frequent unrest happens? Muslim countries. Where is the place where bombings always take place?
where is the comment i posted in response to hindustani??
Vinay! Use ur name instead of ‘to junaid’. This comment has already been accepted by my team and hence u can see it above.
About caste system, its all the traces Muslims got while living in close proximity to Hinduism in indian continent. I am Khan and i dont think there is anyone below my caste or above it and that is exactly what Islam teaches me. Those who look down at others are distant from Islam so try to differentiate between Islam and the culture few people in Pakistan got influenced while being close to Hinduism for centuries. And Shias are my brothers, sunnis are my brothers, wahhabis are my brothers and so are other. Shia and Sunni fights are sponsored by people who want to divide Islam and we will never let them influence us.
@Vinay (AKA “to junaid” now)
“You think there is no caste in Islam?”
This must be your best defence to the most disgusting dirty, hindu caste system amongst almost all religions that exist and which stinks from the day it was created.
Here are some details of the hindu caste system, as opposed to a “family” system that exists in the western world, and amongst Muslims in some parts too:
The varna-vyavastha is opposed to the value of liberty as it denies the freedom to choose one’s occupation and marriage partner to one and all. Everyone must join the occupation of his varna and must marry within his varna. Similarly, it denies the freedom to study to the Shudras and woman in particular. Even the dwija must study the Vedas before he studies anything else. Otherwise, he becomes a Shudra. (Incidentally, according to Manusmriti, there are several ways by which a Brahmin or dwija may become a Shudra but there is no way by which a Shudra may become a Brahmin. A Shudra must always remain a Shudra.)
What is worse, the Chandala is even denied the freedom to reside at a place of his choice or to wear clothes and ornaments of his choice. He is not even free to keep pet animals of his choice.
The conflict between varna-vyavastha and the value of equality is more than obvious. As I mentioned earlier, the system of graded inequality seems to be the very essence of varna-vyavastha. It denies equal respect to all in society. It denies equality before law. It denies equal access to marriage partners. It denies equal access to jobs. The occupation of teachers and priests, for example, is reserved exclusively for Brahmins. Finally, it also denies equal access to education and knowledge.
A Brahmin, according to Manu, must not teach the Shudra and woman even if he dies with his knowledge without imparting it to anybody. [73] On the other hand, if anyone studies the Vedas on his own he or she will go straight to hell. In other words, cent percent reservations for dwija males in the sphere of education.
The varna-vyavastha is most unfair to the Shudras and the untouchables. They are denied respect, knowledge, power and wealth. They are denied access to occupations considered respectable, just as they are denied access to men and women of upper varnas for marriage. The Shudras are virtually reduced to being slaves of the Brahmins in particular and the dwijas in general, whereas the untouchables are regarded as outcast — beyond the pale of the society. The women are generally treated as sexual objects and as unfit for being independent and free.
As far as fraternity is considered, we must not expect it to exist in a society, which is so unequal and unjust. A Shudra’s waist is to be branded or his buttocks are to be cut only because he occupies the same seat as the Brahmin. The “religious” are not to talk or even look at a Chandala. Inter-marriage is prohibited. Manu seems to be most eager to prevent inter-mixing of the varnas. Thus, the Hindu social order is based on the isolation and exclusiveness of the varnas.
The Manusmriti not only outlines a totally undemocratic and unjust social system but also gives divine, religious sanction to this man-made social institution of chaturvarnya. Some Hindus, including apparently learned “thinkers” and writers, smugly wax eloquent about Hinduism being the most tolerant and liberal religion of the world.
Is there any other religion, which sanctions slavery and untouchability? Is there any other religion in which only persons born in a particular caste ( Brahmin) are entitled to become priests?
Slavery is not peculiar to India or to Hinduism, but carrying it to the extremes of untouchability, and granting it divine and religious sanction is peculiar to Hinduism.
Similarly, some Hindus may be tolerant, just as some of them are intolerant, but Hinduism or Hindu religion is not tolerant at all, either socially or intellectually.
Manusmriti, for example, clearly says that:
Anybody who argues critically and logically about dharmashastras ought to be ostracized.
Non-believers, including freethinkers, rationalists and Buddhists, are not to be entertained respectfully as guests; though, mercifully, they may be given food.
The families of non-believers are destroyed sooner than later according to Manu.
A state with a large number of Shudras and nastikas soon meets its destruction.
Manusmriti is full of abusive epithets for freethinkers and non-believers.
The unorthodox ( nastikas) are sometimes equated with the Shudras, sometimes with the Chandalas, sometimes with thieves and sometimes with lunatics!
Such is the generosity of Hindu dharma (thos most primitive, most disgusting, revolting dharma, that is being left by 100s of 1000s in masses).
AND you talk about the family system that exists in Pakistan ??????? better crawl back in the dark hole you came out of b4 u even start comparing this unjust, sickening, uneducated, kettle minded corrupt system of hinduism that divides people on the basis of their birth to religions like Islam, Christianity, or even Buddhism and Sikhism.
@ “to junaid”(artist previously known as “Vinayâ€)
“You say Hinduism divides. Ok so tell me now how united Muslim countries are?”
Read your sentence again……yup….and again……you are comparing hinduism to countries ?????? wow,,,,,what kinda logic…..hmm,,,actually what logic ?????hmm, how about comparing hinduism to Islam ??? compare religion to religion, people to people, countries to countries, or is that too much logic and a bit too sensible thing to discuss???
And is that your BEST defence to the words that Hinduism divides????? OK, atleast you seem to say “OK” to that before you ask an unrelated question. let me enlighten you, it doesnt just “divide” as you mildly accept it by saying “OK”…..it is the “most revolting division” that is based on birth and decides if the child born is an untouchable or not, if he is allowed to sit and eat at the same level (yes physically same height) as a brahman or not……while being part of this religion (hinduism) even requires to believe in the “protection of the cow” ………
If you have children, perhaps you should sincerely think about it that while you love your child, you did not chose who was going to be born in your family, and hence if you did come from one of the castes that happen be “a lower” caste to put it mildly, this very child would also be hated by others, not because of who/she became, not because what he/she believed in after growing up, but only on the bases of where they were born just like hinduism prescribes!!!!
i am not vinay. thanx for airing the comments.
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coming to the topic, caste system is not only confined to the Indian Subcontinent. Have you heard of the Spanish term ‘castas’? This was practised by the spanish in their colonies. In philipines, some locals used to be kown as 2nd class christians! Almost every African community belongs to some caste or another, and caste system has long been a highlight in African countries, including Islamic ones. What was the cause of the Rwandan genocide? Tutsi vs Hutu. Caste system has also been practised in Yuan China. Terms like Shizu, Coloured Yis, Xiaxi; and although formally abolished in 59 by Communists, it still runs within certain Chinese communities esp those from northern China like Harbin etc. Cast system was also prevalent in Japan (samurai caste were highest warrior caste and could kill ANY person he wanted; Burakumin is the untouchable) and Korea (baekjeong is still considered untouchable - even after the Gabo reform). Ok lets move closer, have you heard of Al-Akhdam? It a caste system in the arab world where Khadem is the lowest of all castes. There’s an Arab saying “wash a plate that has been licked by dogs, but break it if an Khadem community man touched it”. In fact Slavery itself is a nother form of caste advocation, and slavery has been spoken about in all religions, including Islam (I can provide you verses Pr. Muhammad kept slaves and trades 2 black slaves for 1 white one) - except Buddhism. This practice was common everywhere. Not only Indian subcontinant. Please understand that. A quick online search will explain about caste practises all over the world -far away lands from india.
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and junaid blames hinduism’s proximity to pakistan; pakistanis have completely delinked themselves frm hinduism - they changed their name, faith, even language and got a new country - all to follow their arab masters - so why keep the ‘dirty’ caste system alive in pakistan? a mockery huh? ohh! i know.. even arabs had castes, as i said above! LOL
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About myself, I have nvr discriminated against a soul, irrespective of his race, religion, colour or caste! We (you and me) are educated, and we know these practises are not of any benefit, but not the uneducated ones in our countries. So instead of pointing fingers, we should work to eliminate this practice in our respective societies. Similarly would you like if I blamed Islam for all the global unrest? Give respect, earn respect.
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Why r u so blur, muslim countries naturally comprise of muslims right? and we are seeing how united these muslims are LOL
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regards.
@ “to junaidâ€(artist previously known as “Vinayâ€)
“ohh! i know.. even arabs had castes, as i said above! LOL”
I think and hope you mean tribes!!! besides I also believe you are talking BEFORE Islam time??? which would be equivalent to HINDUstan today or “Zaman-e-Jahalat” !!!
“So instead of pointing fingers, we should work to eliminate this practice in our respective societies.”
Hmm, you mean instead of trying to eliminate minorities like Muslims, Christians, jews and Sikhs from india, you should be eliminating the filth of hinduism from india ????????
“Similarly would you like if I blamed Islam for all the global unrest?”
You can try, but I dont see many people here criticising “you”,,,,but they ARE criticising the ill practices, the atrocities committed in india while most ridiculously calling it a democratic country, and while following the most violent preachings of hinduism, even against its own believers (hindus of lower castes). You see, if someone followed Islam, all Muslims would be same, but if if one was to follow hinduism like most HINDUstanis do, then even hindus themselves can not be equal to each other. thats exactly why hinduism is an ever shrinking community, and too right too. A dividing, mistreating, misjudging, ill practiced, only designed by some to look down on others and to take unjust advantages of other humans, a true degradtaion of humanity religion will die out and burn in its own fire, just like hindus themselves do. All hindus eventually burn, and finish in ashes, just like this filth of a religion (hinduism) will do.
A religion that discriminates people by birth, and labels them lower in every way of life, is a GAALI to humanity and I truly hope that hindus stop following the disgusting teachings of hinduism and take up a better religion that declares them all equal, at least amongst the same religion.
@ “to junaidâ€(artist previously known as “Vinayâ€)
“Why r u so blur, muslim countries naturally comprise of muslims right? and we are seeing how united these muslims are ”
HINDUstan is only one country with mainly hindus. Need i show you the true and igly face of hindu unity in india itself ????? or even within hinduism itself ????????
true face of HINDUstan and hinduism is so ugly that I am sure most indians here at pro-Pakistan wouldnt wannu see it!!!!!
I can if you wish to, just say so. But I am sure you already know it !!!
funny little loser from a failed, crisis state :D
@fos
“funny little loser from a failed, crisis state”
You have obviously hit the limit of your pea sized brain with that comment :)
better add an “i” at the end of your user name !!!
@“to junaidâ€(artist previously known as “Vinayâ€)
“pakistanis have completely delinked themselves frm hinduism - they changed their name, faith, even language and got a new country”
its actually Islam who has delinked from Kuffars/hinduism.
And Pakistanis didnt “get” a new country. If you call them Pakistanis, they already HAVE a country…otherwise you would be calling them PAKISTANIS….duhhh……
Oh yeh, just to add, this country was broken out of HINDUStan, and thats exactly what the hindus and their pundits can not accept. otherwise I am sure Dalits have not many issues with Pakistan or Pakistanis :)
Let me clear the air, I am proud of my name Vinay and more so I AM AN INDIAN, I have no reason to hide myself and stopped putting anything on this blog though I visit it occasionally. I have realized it is just a waste of time to even share anything with people from other side of the border who are so adamant and resistive to change. United they are when it comes to accepting facts and foolish we are trying to bridge the gap. I retired from this blog being wiser and learnt the only person who can ever convince Pakistani’s is a guy called Zaid Hamid and I am putting all my efforts to set a Zaid fan club soon.
@mvinay
“I am proud of my name Vinay and more so I AM AN INDIAN”
I am sorry, but whats there to be proud of. india has a violent history, HINDUstan have a violent history. hindus have a violent history. hindus have even tried to re-write the history, to deny the facts to the coming generations. They have to this date hated their own, given more priority to a cow than a “untouchable” lower cast hindu, and they have hated others. Instead of stopping and locking up these hindus who follow hinduism to kill, rape and burn minorities, they put them in politics, and expect janta to vote for them so they can kill, rape and burn with freedom, money and power. And in return indians blame the minorities for simply being Christians, Muslims, or Sikhs.
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Whats their to be proud of :( there is only shame, and fire, in this world and the next for all the atrocities committed against minorities in this mockery of a democracy HINDUstan!!!
hahahahahahahhaha.. A pakistani saying India has a voilent history.. did you learn the meaning of voilent in Madarsa???
@Zaid Hamid Fan Club
even more funny thing is that obviously they didnt teach you how to even spell what you call “Madarsa” in your Shakha during your training years when your father left you there to be a shakh boy!!!
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Ofcourse while you were busy learning how to rid HINDUStan of Muslims, Sikhs, and Christians by burning and raping them, AND HOW TO PROTECT YOUR COWS (gao mata) they also forgot to teach you the spelling of what you call “VOILENT” too.
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Now…lets hear your laugh again please, cos it is quite funny this time :)
I am sorry, but whats there to be proud of. india has a violent history, HINDUstan have a violent history. hindus have a violent history. hindus have even tried to re-write the history, to deny the facts to the coming generations. They have to this date hated their own, given more priority to a cow than a “untouchable” lower cast hindu, and they have hated others. Instead of stopping and locking up these hindus who follow hinduism to kill, rape and burn minorities, they put them in politics, and expect janta to vote for them so they can kill, rape and burn with freedom, money and power. And in return indians blame the minorities for simply being Christians, Muslims, or Sikhs.
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Whats their to be proud of :( there is only shame, and fire, in this world and the next for all the atrocities committed against minorities in this mockery of a democracy HINDUstan!!!
We are proud of our culture ,We are proud of what we are , We are proud of our growth,We are proud of our Automobile industries,We are of our IT industries,We are proud of our Telecom industries..we are proud of mature and stable growth …we are proud of steady removal of poverty …We are proud of our education…
Gosh i have to big list to write perhaps this server don’t have that much of space ..
and above of all am getting late for movie “Avatar”… but i can still write two three lines ..
for those who say that Hinduism violent is a religion they must check there and mine collars first ..
before Lawrence of arabia and after 9/11-26/11 i am not much convinced with your comments ..as i told you i can type whole history here about us and them and him and who ..but hafta go go go …Avatar is a nice movie and people should watch it ..no am not getting any commision for every ticket ..!!
Bye
Long Live Islam Long Live Hinduatan
We are proud of our culture
Bollywood??? is that what you are talking about ??
you should see pakistani decent movies
We are proud of what we are
Since when ?? …when you were under british rule or after that ??
We are proud of our growth
what growth ?? one rescission made you so desperate when IBM fired 200 engineers from Indian delivery center and GBS or when L&T delayed joining of 600 fresher engineer for 1 year ?? or when Google stopped hiring freshers from 2008 batch ?? or when Oracle fired 100 engineers ?? or when ….
We are proud of our Automobile industries
when Tata bought Jaguar and Land Rover then or when mahindra and mahindra bought stakes in renault ..or when Tata introduced nano for poor and poor Indians ??
We are of our IT industries
Every IT company in worl;d have center in India because of cheap labour ..chi…aaup Lay..BAAA ..our…!! open your eyes
,We are proud of our Telecom industries
Sony erricson is not indian nor Nokia ?? oh you mean Airtel worlds largets and biggest service provider in India and south africa ..for you kind information Vodafone has bought 30% share
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