I received this newsletter through an e mail from Pak Nationalists and i couldn’t agree any less. I think Zaid Hamid has rightly analyzed the situation. We need to explore this angle. Moreover, the way Indians blame Pakistan is becoming a joke.
BRASSTACKS Newsletter
27Â Nov 2008
Dear all,
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For the past many weeks, the biggest story in India was involvement of Indian Military Intelligence officers in orchestrated acts of terrorism against Muslims to create a Hindu-Muslim riot situation as well as to create a justification for war against Pakistan. Many Indian army officers were caught
and Indian Police was forced to work deeper into finding more BJP, Bajrang Dal and RSS terrorists in Indian military and Intelligence setup. This story had created a serious panic in Indian military and their Fascist patrons in Hindu Zionists. Something had to be done to divert the attention of the world and Indian public from acts of terrorism by Hindu Hardliners. …..Then comes the Mumbai Massacre.
Even when the shootings were going on in hotels, Indian media and army were blaming Pakistan for the attacks. The game is clear and sinister. The Indian Intelligence have diverted the global attention towards another issue where they would blame Pakistan for this slaughter and use Barack Obama’s doctrine of attacks on Pakistan to encircle Pakistan from both sides. It is such a shame that Pakistani media is not highlighting this issue and is only repeating what Indians want the world to see and
believe.
There is no such group in India as Daccan Mujahideen.
In the coming days, Pakistan should prepare for a high risk threat response as Indians would go to any limit to open another front against Pakistan to divert the local and world attention from their internal fascist elements in Hindu Zionists and military intelligence. The enclosed document is a BT policy paper and explains the actual sinister game which Hindu fascists are trying to hide.
May Allah protect Pakistan from all enemies.
Wassalam and dua
Pakistan
Zindabaad.
Zaid Hamid
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Document links Bajrang Dal, ex-IB men
THANE: A statement made to the police in 2006 has brought into focus the possibility that retired officials of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) may
have links with radical Hindutva outfits and may also be actively participating in camps organised by the Bajrang Dal, a militant wing of the RSS.
The statement was made by Pune resident Sanatkumar Bhate after the Nanded blast in 2006. He was then a Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) sympathiser, but later distanced himself from te outfit.
Bhate, who had imparted training in self-defence and lathi combat to Bajrang Dal cadres, had revealed that ex-IB officials and ex-Indian Army personnel were involved with the Hindutva brigade. The confession was made to the Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) in July 2006.
While the role of army personnel has come under the scanner following the arrests of Lt Col Shrikant Purohit and Major (Retd) Ramesh Upadhyay in the Malegaon blast case, no questions have been asked about ex-IB officials.
Bhate had then named the Bhonsale Military School in Pune as the venue for the Dals traning camp. Questions are being raised about the delay made by investigating agencies to further probe the confessions made by Bhate two years ago.
Bhate, a former merchant navy captain, had spilled the beans before the ATS while being questioned about his association with those involved in the blast at Nanded. Bhate is understood to have been in close contact with Dal leader Himanshu Panse, who died in the blast in a residence in April 2006. Two persons died while a bomb was being manufactured. Two others died later in hospital.
Bhate had stated that he attended a 40-day All India Bajrang Dal camp held in May 2000 at the Bhonsale Military School, where 110 to 115 Dal cadres had assembled from across the nation. At this camp, the retired army officials and ex-IB officials imparted training in air-gun shooting and also in karate, obstacle course etc, Bhate had said in his statement recorded by ATS official A Tamaychekar.
TOI is in possession of this document which reveals the elaborate planning and training of the Bajrang Dal cadres in armed defence. Bhate had also handed over photographs of the event and accommodation arrangements made for participants.
Political leaders are now demanding a scrutiny of Bhates statement as well as a thorough probe into the Dals activities, including its networking with institutions like the army and IB. NCP leader Jitendra Awhad has demanded a white paper into the entire issue and is seeking details of the training camp held in 2000.
“I have asked the state government to prepare a white paper on this issue and the possibility of Hindutva groups being linked to blasts in Nanded, Parbhani and Jalna. The state government should reveal who had organised this training camp, the names of all the participants, who were the people who imparted training to the cadres, etc. Moreover, the white paper should also share information on whether the blasts in Nanded, Parbhani and Jalna can be linked to this group,” Awhad said.
The Nanded blast had occurred in April 2006 in the house of one Laxman Rajkondwar. It is said that the police had stumbled upon incriminating documents and items like a skull cap, fake beard and so on while searching the blast site.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Document_links_Bajrang_Dal_ex-IB_men/articleshow/3687174.cms
http://www.zeenews.com/nation/2008-11-08/481828news.html
Also see this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tErg9Bf7vNY
i agreed with Mr.Zaid Hamid on this .. now what India is blaming is totally bases on stupid thinking of the Indians.. if we believe on that boat story then i think “INDIan navy kay lie dob marnay ka moqam ha”
I totally agree with it … i have heard on GEO as well as on ARY ONE news that Indian has said that the terrorist came through a boat from Karachi … how come they have proved it so early when there is no such evidence … and what if its true then why didnt they followed them at that time … Indians are simply making the Pakistan’s position worse by doing all this … it is totally a pre-planned Scene … they need something to raise finger again Pakistan … Like USA did with 9/11 incident …
Pakistan Zindabad
India claims that the terrorists came by boat from Karachi. If true then this is a matter of great shame for the Indian Navy that a boat from the Pakistani side of the water came to Mumbai undetected
the stage has been set by the hindu zionists. the incorporation of these fanatics in indian govt is a huge worry not only for pak, but for the whole world including india itself. what v lack is a true democratic govt which could take a manly stand.
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Mr Zaid Hamid is 100% right, the Indian always try to destablise the Pakistan in any mannr,now they choose this way, to get sympathy of western media, who always back Indian stance, now the Pakistani media should come forward and play their role to show the west the real issue and drama of Indian Govt.
the way u publish posts on this website, it is quite clear from their reading only that u r trying to run away from harsh reality. which site provides the principle how an ak47 works, tell me does any indian site do this. and my dear friends is it just about india and pakistan which were once a one nation only. is pakistan not facing threat from terrorism. now dont tell that recent suicide bombings and assasination of benazir bhutto was done by hindu fascists. is instabilisation not brought in pakistan by dictatorial millitary coups? now plz dont tell that was a game played by hindu fascists. my friends truth is the most mighty enemy to face, this point will be proved by your denial to post my comment
may allah give you power to face truth
the way u publish posts on this website, it is quite clear from their reading only that u r trying to run away from harsh reality. which site provides the principle how an ak47 works, tell me does any indian site do this. and my dear friends is it just about india and pakistan which were once a one nation only. is pakistan not facing threat from terrorism. now dont tell that recent suicide bombings and assasination of benazir bhutto was done by hindu fascists. is instabilisation not brought in pakistan by dictatorial millitary coups? now plz dont tell that was a game played by hindu fascists. my friends truth is the most mighty enemy to face, this point will be proved by your denial to post my comment
may allah give you power to face truth
pro pakistan indeed…what u don’t realise is the media is free here and govt doesn’t influence it…they publish what they find without censoring…we know there are retarded political hindu extremists thankfully when the media breaks it we don’t vote 4 them…and we also know who was responsible for these attacks..it’s time u guys ask questions to ur own govt…i seriously believe there are nice people in pakistan and a handful of **** creates these nuisance.
@Atif! What about the train bombings? What about the demolition of mosques and churches in India every second day? What about the killing of innocent people in Kashmir? And by the way i have kept the blog on moderation just to avoid abusive languages and not to block opposing point of views. I am not inspired by Indian media channels who even know where the terrorists used to sleep, eat and drink in just two days of the operation and yet they failed to know about the operation when it was being planned.
@Pak! I think its the otherway around. If they say anything against the Indian fanatics and extremists of BJP, they will be made another target like christians and muslims and brave indian officers like Karkare. So your media won’t waste a single minute to obey the orders from the Hindu fanatics.
To All above,
The Doctrine above does make sense when you are a culprit and want to find excuses for the mistakes made. It was true that Hindu Radicals were involved in an attack over muslims. but why did that happend. It was Indian Intelligence which said it was a reaction to the activities by Simi.
The arrested Moron(terroist) told indian intelligence that he was trained in pakistan by your beloved Chacha Rehman. he told that heis from Faridcot in pakistan.why should one not believe him but your biased pakistani media?
there have been various attacks by muslims before one news came for Hindu fanatical attack and now you say… ohh all of these attacks are master mind of India itself.
Use somoe logic in case you got something from your madarsa education.
A scene from full Action Movie
2 terrorist and 60 police men yaar this really looks like a scene from action movie rather than reality and how interestingly they kill the police officer who was investigating against an army col. I would really like to know why ISI will make a plan to kill the guy who was exposing Indian army conspiracies
sallo chuhon ke tarah bil mai ghus ke bool rahe ho,china ne nuclear bomb de diya isliye sher bante ho,sari missile china deta hai khud ke economy ko dekho 7 billion $ is enough to survive ur tiny economy while more than 2 billion should be expand is only mukesh ambani new residence,u all r guided throw army no democracy
u r anti indian coz u know if there should be nuclear exchange only india suffer our economy (world 3 largest ppp)derailed what u loss nothing u r already a bagger nothing to be proud about
look have a data u people stand no where in world.tell ur government if there is a war although be suffer lot but pakistan will extinct as it never be there
It is really surprising that two neighbours,two old religions are becoming enemies of each other.Reason for this has been policies adopted by Pakistan which danced to the tunes of Uncle Sam and allowed its teritory to be used for training of so called Jihadis and also unleashed the militants in Kashmir.India is also no saint in this whole affair it conveniently forgot the demographic realities of Kashmir and dealt with the Dogras who were traitors all through their history (remeber how they got Kashmir as reward for inside job that they have done in the defeat of Sikh Empire against English).Same things are happening now a days Ms Rice is coiming to India on behalf of BUSH the Rambo and some reps are going to Pakistan.When a time will come when we will set as brothers to solve our disputes and when both countries can go hand in hand to take on the world.Remember we are two nuclear nations and some of world best fighters live in two countries Pashtuns,Baluchis,Sikhs,Punjabis,Rajputs,marathas list is endless together we can dictate to world.
U r the Fanatic here, u think what happened in mumbai is a joke… I pity u and ur level of thinkin.. and the reason ur media hasnt said anything bout the incident is coz media is not biased like u are.. got it.. Media furnished facts.. not crap… Learn n think right
Thats a good thing to love your motherland but our love should not make us blind to the facts. There are so many loopholes in the reports of your own media and try to get some time to realize them. I wonder why only two terrorists got so much media coverage wearing the typical orange color band and why the same terrorist was caught by the security forces to blame Pakistan?
Don’t you think you should sit down and analyze the media statements which are still present on the Google that your media as well as your government issued after the train bombing. In those statements you can see the level of detail that your media presented to implicated Pakistan and in the end, all those are proved as lies. Now i understand and i was the first to condemn the Mumbai incident but i am still not buying the argument that the terrorists have anything to do with our government or our agencies.
And statement of one person is never enough in such high profile cases because we have loads of such people whom our forces captured operating in Tribal areas confessing to be RAW agents supplying weapons and money to the terrorists. Even communication equipment was caught which was purchased by Indians in the past and now used in our tribal areas by the militants is available and most of the intelligence is shared with the Indians as well as Americans.
It is high time that you start looking inside India and try to address the grievances of your fanatics and other minorities who are suffering because of Indian terrorists rather then just blaming Pakistan for every misfortune.
By the way your language and choice of words shows how civilized you are as a nation. Do look at all the comments dropped by your fellow countrymen and soon you will see a difference.
Mr.Junaid its better if we donot talk about culture n civilization?what culture have you people got?Please tell me where are you from? I hope you are from this planet only. Sir for your kind information (Considering the possibility that you might not be from this planet) Pakistan was a part of India only. So before 60 years there was NO Pakistan(I SAID PAKISTHAN DIDNOT EXIST), it was India and India. So before 60 years it was all the same. And what happened in these 60 years is in front of us.you were once part of india n we have our own ancient culture and civilization…and pakisthan after seperation all the leaders being killed by your own people one by one…Using Burqa and treating women like animals.If these things make Pakistan ahead of us then please increase your mental level first 1. We have defeated Pakistan thrice so far. We thrashed them out in Kargil even though they were in an advantageous position. And every time there is a war Pakistan’s economy gets crashed and they take some 15-20 years again to rebuild their army in order to get another defeat. Yes we are fearful of Pakistan, in the sense that every war has a lot of socio-economic overheads attached, and I think, that should be a major concern for an economy like Pakistan and not India which is the fastest growing economy of the world.
2. I think in this regard, its just the stupidity of Pakistan which must be exhibited. Despite knowing the fact that their entire population cannot compete with Indian Army they fight head to head and what happens is their heads are taken off and ultimately it boosts Indian Army’s might. And when nothing worked they started militancy.
Only muslims are inhuman and brutal enough to kill like these. Right from Yazid to Lashkar-e-Tayyaba they do like this. Common man in other religions has hardly to do with killing innocents. You can persuade any muslim to kill innocent by a call “Islam khatre main hai”. Why only our religion faces a danger. Please come out this false sense of goodness. Either your philosphy is wrong or the followers are wrong, but it needs rejuvenation. I know that 90% of muslims don’t understand what word Islam means. They dont understand the meaning of Surah Fatiha they just chant it
I’m Indian. I have followed the Mumbai attacks ever since it happened. It seems very fishy to me that within minutes of the terrorist attacks 3 top cops of India were killed. This seems like a false flag conducted by some secretive intellegeance agency. Even the government of India probably does not know of this.
I don’t particularly like Zaid Hamid for his anti Indian/Hindu views, but he did make some good points about the Mumbai attacks.
PESHAWAR, Pakistan—In 1988, Indian Navy and commandos took only 24 hours to storm Mamoon Abdul Quyum’s palace in the Maldives when it was taken over by rebels and eliminated the rebels within another 24 hours.
But in Mumbai, it India 60 hours to eliminate ten terrorists equipped only with KKs. The entire drama seems to be well scripted like Bollywood/Hollywood movies. On one side they blame ISI for planning, executing the whole episode and on the other hand they blame ISI for committing silly mistakes and leaving behind incriminating evidence to be picked up by the Indian intelligence so it could find easy links to Karachi/Pakistan.
Some other India lies include:
1. Indians failed to detect movement of the alleged merchant ship from Karachi and then its off loading of passengers at high sea.
2. These 10 daredevils traveled in rubber dinghies up to Bombay shores unnoticed. Was the Indian coastal defense system asleep?
3. The terrorists waded through the marshes of Bombay coastline, reached the road network, hijacked police vehicles, divided themselves in three groups and then headed for their targets in the posh localities of Bombay, and EVERYTHING GOES UNNOTICED.
4. Like precision guided missiles these terrorists reach their targets and take over heavily guarded two 5-star hotels, dodging the security system of the entire city of Bombay and the internal security system of these 5-star hotels and the Jewish center also
5. They fight it out with Indian commandos for 3 days and all but one is killed. The Indians claim that he is ISI sponsored. If we believe the Indian storyline, it defies logic. How can a professional spy agency like ISI commit the following mistakes:
1. Sailing the terrorist off from Karachi. Why not Dubai, Chittagong or Eden for better deception?
2. Credit cards of Pakistani origin in their pockets. Do the suicide bombers carry the IDs in their pockets?
3. Their Pakistani Punjabi ascent. The first lesson given to intelligence operators is to adapt to local environments. If such an operation was planned by Pakistan and ISI, the operatives would have known that they would have to communicate/ negotiate with the hostages and others and hence would have concealed this giveaway sign.
I leave to the readers to decide if Indian lies are white or black.
I also leave to you to decide whether this is a RAW/Mossad staged drama or that of Lashkar-e-Tayyeba and ISI?
And how much credible are CNN and BBC anyway?
(The reply has been taken from a friends site for your ready reference naming AhmedQuraishi and written by Fida Marwat. I must appreciate the writer for such a decent but factual response)
hi ..pakistanis..how are u are u r realy educated .the terrorist who was arrested had confessed that he has been trained by a former pakistan army soldier,& he is from pakistan ..,after losing four wars still u people doesnt learn anything..u r former p.m. nawaz shariff said he was betrayed by pakistan army related to kargil…u r taking about indian army .& intelligence agency,..we are the great army which gave a respected burial to those who died in kargil war,,u r bloody pakistan army which dint take the body of ur soldier who fought for there country..& what type of human right violation u r taking about when woman in pakistan are gangraped just for debt amnt. what happend to daneil pearl who was killed by terrorist in pakistan..you people doesnt any thing ,,another one thing you are educated fools …
Let us discuss the whole thing clearly….
i am neither pro india / pro pakistan / pro hindu / pro muslim .. ok ?
1. It is true that Hindu activists have started acts of terrorism..
quite a number of cases to prove it..
starting from godhra, recent train bombing etc
babri masjid etc are all political tactics to create a rift between hindus and muslims.
2. It is also true that militant groups have been multiplying in the the Pak occupied kashmir.
Pakistan has been their home ground to organize camps.
Again a fact that Daewood is in pakistan… India has shown his videos attending weddings too, though the pakistan primi minister denies it
3. India has made a mistake in identifying the cuplrits for the recent train bombings.
And later, (hats of to karkare), India has openly agreed that it was a mistake in the
investigation and brough to light the wrong doers…
( come on, otherwise, how does the world know about it )
4. Now the truth is, we have terrorists in both the religions.
The reason Muslim terrorists are highlighted more is because they have been in operation
from a long time… There are muslim terrorists all over the world.
Hindus should accept that internally terrorism has started in our religion too.
Godhra was no easy incident.
Since Hindu terrorists do not have global access, they are harrassing only muslims in India.
Muslim terrorist groups are widespread and rich, hence the world famous attacks like 9/11.
Now, it will not take long for hindu terrorism also to multiply and then the world will
break apart.
So wat is the point in blaming each other? There are good and bad people on both sides
of the coin.
Let us think… is all this really needed?
I appeal to all the Sensible and Educated Hindus in India.
Accept that Indian Muslims are a minority. PLEASE, PLEASE extend a friendly hand to them.
Muslims in India have been suppressed and they need to feel accepted in our country.
Remember, only .0001% Muslims in the world are terrorists.
The rest are normal people like us. Make friends with them and include them with us.
They will, in turn try to inculcate the same feeling into their muslim friends too,
Once Muslims in India are a happy lot, then, slowly the breeding of new terrorists
will stop. Pakistanis too will stop worrying over injustice to Muslims in India.
I appeal to all the Sensible and Educated Pakistanis,
we agree that there are mistakes in India and will work to fix them.
You too, in turn please try and enlighten your other friends in Pakistan.
Radical ideas will do no one any good.
Love has to win war some day, else the world will be destroyed.
Let us stop calling each other names and work towards a better world.
Dis forum is becoming a war zone..india vs pakistan lolz
c’mn everyone over here is sensible and educated to evaluate the things
i knw the issue is xtremly serious but dun u think our politicians n armies r enough to fight. We r here to discuss things n not to blame each other n use abusive language.
Maintain the decorum of the forum
Peace!!
just wanted a correction here Kashmir is a disputed area because India has not solved the problem as it agreed (India was the one who took isue to Un) and India is the cause of all trouble in Kashmir region.
i know there are elements in india which are anti muslim anti pakistan ,but majority of india are not so, amir khan sharukhan salman khan are muslims but they are the kings of bollywood ,if india is anti muslim would the people of india would have let them to be kings of bollywood .you can see many muslim in extremely sensitive and high posts in india. we are not saying the whole pakistan government is behind these attacks ,what we are trying to make accross is there are certain elements in pakistani government and isi who wants to create terror at whatever cost to india and pakistan same goes to our country also .please dont make stupid claims that indian intel was behind these attacks without any factual evidences
Highly trained terrorists provided assistance by ISI in respect of funding and training carried out this violent act on mumbai!!!!!!!! but lashkar-i-tayyaba and ISI both forgot to mention to them not to carry ID cards and not to use SAT mobiles which even the most illiterate terrorists of AL-QAIDA know even every reader of this site would know.and they were told to kill only one high ranking person who was carrying out actions against threats from within India. Seems very interesting and a super lapse from seasoned terrorist group(as decleared by india again and again) and ISI.By the way as claimed by indian police the captured terrorist has come out with the details claiming to be Pakistani, has he said it in media or infront of some media man or some minister???????? its a claim by indian police and thats it. Why are they afraid to bring hhim infront of media whats the problem in that?????? Think again
Are you all nuts or have just closed your eyes to the world around you.Its been proved that Pakistan WAS involved in the Mumbai Terrorist attacks.Now you can either accept it that your Government and your IB is nurturing,Training and supporting these factions or you can just be naive and think thats its all a big Hoax and plot against Pakistan.And why would India open a new front against Pakistan,I don’t know what they tell you there but its always been Pakistan whos been attacking India.Since 1947 and it still goes on.You all DISGUST me.and May Allha Curse you and all the organisations that Your Pathetic country supports and uses against my country.
I am an indian and I appeal to all of you respected Pakistanis to analyse with some logic and sense. Why would anybody accept that, Indian army planned such attacks. Why would they plan and execute it against their own country men. If Pakistan is to be punished and blamed, then there is no need to open a fresh allegation. Still there are enough ground on which india can still blame. I do accept that there are Hindu extremists also and cetainly this is not the wrok of them. During the encounter also, phone records show that calls were made to Jalabad, Karachi etc. Why would indian army call these numbers. Boss, please understand the reality. India is not blaming the Pakistan govt. it only blames that, some elements in Pakistan is doing. Even your President Mr.Zardari says that, these are the acts of ‘Non-state actors’ forcing a conflict. There are certain peoples in pakistan encouraging such activities. Even pakistan is also suffering due to this. YOu will only reap what you sow. So, you have the option of keeping a blind eye against these terrorists and encourage them and later they will only create problems for you (which is already happening). Even in Pakistan also, i have read media reports where by they says, even in India hindu - muslim conflicts does not lead to so much of lives when heavy loss of life is happening within muslims between Mohajirs (settled from India) and the native peoples. So, you would turn a blind eye for this also. Anyway, it is all upto you people to either support the terrorism and suffer or identiy them and punish. Why the Pak govt. issued passport to Dawood Ibrahim and why would they allow Lashkar -E-Teyyaba to operate in Pakistan which is an internationally banned organisation.
Just think.
Do look at this new post and drop your comments! Looking forward to positive comments that are devoid of any abuses!
http://www.pro-pakistan.com/2008/12/03/pakistan-demands-handover-of-most-wanted-terrorists-from-india/
Please read this new post from Pro Pakistan and give your comments. We are looking forward to some healthy discussion and not abusive language.
http://www.pro-pakistan.com/2008/12/03/pakistan-demands-handover-of-most-wanted-terrorists-from-india/
All are stupid here discussing things which can not be proved by either side….
May god bless all
Since Pakistanis (pakkus/pakis) are ok with usa attacking jihadis (terrorists) in Pakistan, and the Indian army has a lot of dedicated and well trained men, a great solution to the jihadi menace would be for usa to bomb the shit out of Pakistan and for half a million Indian army and air force men to help usa kill all the jihadis in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I wonder when we human will grow up. Please look back the history of thousands of years of humanity and realize that many civilization came and gone along with their belief. They tried to dominate others or were fighting against the fear that others would dominate. Many of us are following a particular religion or ideology just because we were born to parents following the same faith. It is just a chance. What these religions have given us? Our political and religious leaders have used it to serve their selfish means. I hope we wake up before it is too late.
We south Asians are almost the same gene pool. We are smart people and can grow together. Our contribution to the development of science and mathematics is too low in proportion to our population. Why can’t we do something positive and meaningful?
This feeling of hate and distrust would lead to loss of many more innocents for nothing. This world would not be a better place if all were Hindu or Muslim. This world would be a better place if we had more love and trust and not fear.
Both India and Pakistan have corrupt politicians, bureaucrats and lots of gullible people who can’t think for themselves. We must ask our leaders (religious and political) to lead us to the border and militaries should be behind them. They are the ones who should be punished and then we (both India and Pakistan) should choose new group of people who are good people to govern. We may need to repeat the above exercise few times before things are set right for all of us.
I am a Indian and will be neutral in the statements below
Firstly all these surveys and reports are made to fill the newspapers but occasionally carry some ounce of truth. We need to accept the fact the west media exaggerates facts. They almost treat Pakistan as a place where every person is sitting on a nuke bomb with the timers ticking down but we all know the truth.
Both of us (India and Pakistan) need to accept the fact that apart from the pre 1947 border the only thing we have in common in corrupt politicians who manipulate general citizens to think we are almost at war. I do accept the fact at times my hatred for Pakistan peaks at times (in situations like Mumbai Blast) but recover my senses in a few hours. This hatred is all but natural for any human and I am glad it has not caused any damage. Honestly I don’t think any educated person on either side of the border wants a war.
The way both nations have evolved over the years is differentiated by one major factor the ARMY. India soon after independence split the army into three segments Land, Air and Navy. This split weakened the army considerably in making internal political decisions or a coup unlike Pakistan where the army is almost supreme, The ARMY in India is involved only in protecting the nation and has no say in internal affairs, unlike Pakistan.
The other major difference is the economy itself, both nations have politicians who are unaware what business men need but Indian business men have a big role in creating the nation. TATA, Birla, Reliance, Infosys, Wipro, etc are true global companies. To some extent the government did help these companies by tailoring laws to suit them and thankfully it has been used in a concrete way. One such example is the automobile sector, unlike Pakistan India taxes fully assembled cars heavily (110%) they expect car manufactures to setup factories in India. Such industries generate considerable jobs and even train engineers in the field. This has translated to India being the No 1 market for Suzuki, TATA breaking ground with $2500 car, TATA buying out Jaguar, Mahindra tasting success in the SUV market, Bajaj venturing into the $3500 cars in 2010, etc. Indian business in created by Business men and not the government.
The internet and blogs is a boon to us common citizens where we can atleast make our voices heard. I only wish these voices translate to a mild revolution where politicians realize they need to look into the welfare of us citizens and eventually stop the hatred amongst nations. Please realize the only gainers from such hatred are the Politicians who give a damn about us.
Yes it is good to love your nation and it is this feeling that has united the citizens of the respective nations. We need to extend this love beyond boundaries look towards making SE Asia a force to reckon with.
Dear Mr. M. Junaid Khan
Always remember a quote “Every wise man has a foolish corner in his brain”. Might be he is an extra ordinary. The same is here with u and ISI too. Before answering to all your points mentioned, Cn u plz reply my following questions?
1. US is considered as most secured country in d world thn how 9/11 attack was made?
2. Can u deny the satellite network’s proof of calls which were made between mumbai and karachi during the attack period?
3. Mumbai is economic capital of India, if u think that it was a plan made by indian agencies, r they fool to implement it in such a city which can affect whole indian economy instead of other cities?
4. Can any country bear a loss of such officers who were the frontiers in tackling the terrorist?
5. Present government of India is UPA government, y any government will take a risk to dig a whole for itself when the elections are coming soon?
Thinking over these questions will give answers to all ur questions which u asked earlier…and remember “TRUTH IS ALWAYS TRUTH……NO BODY CAN DENY IT…..”
You people seem to know India quite well and yet you make this big mistake about its politicians. Notice an important fact that both at the center and in the state of Maharashtra, India has the congress government. If there was any way congress government could create an illusion of Hindu militancy congress would go to the other end of the universe and would do it. If you think police or RAW or any organization could hide facts from our politicians than you are wrong, in India ministers have all the powers.
Congress would not save Hindu militants and risk loss in election. They would more than expose them and benefit in election. In-fact that is what was happening before these Mumbai attacks.
Unfortunately, religious fervor has been on rise in India for last 17- 18 years. But BJP has suffered loss in many elections that clearly shows that Hindu majority doesn’t support BJP of their ideology. India’s politicians are as corrupt as Pakistan’s but India is lucky that Indians have some how kept this sick disease (religious fervor) under control. I hope Pakistan and India both become progressive and cure themselves fully before it is too late. We should realize that we are modern men of 21st century and shouldn’t revert towards stone-age mentality.
Just hope and pray that both sides wake up and realize that 99.9% of us want peace. To hell with all groups all nut cases… let’s move ahead, join hands and get all those involved in not only attacks in Mumbai but also the daily attacks in Pakistan. Let’s clear the damn border out of our mind, someone made a line on a map let’s leave it on the map.. and atleast see each others as humans first.. thxx
@Mir
Well said Mir and I am sure most of the people feel the same. The only contradiction I have with you is the percentage, its more like 99.999% want peace.
Common Citizens have had enough of crap given by our “politicians in arms” and its time we take over.
Does anyone have pointers on how we start this?
dont be so biased in your veiws.Be practical no one can stage such a drama.There are clear cut evidences to see pakistan’s involvement in this.there are some sattelite phones left by the terrorists which clearly show that they had called karachi several times to take instructions.terror emails during the attack were recieved from karachi.World leaders are not fools to put pressure on pakistan without knowing the truth.Please open ur eyes and see the truth
Mr Gahesh today your query was answered, that yr only suspect didnt come from pakistan and was kidnapped by indian agencies to carry out this staged drama in Mumbai in 2006 from Nepal. I know its sad but u belong to a country full of bloodshed. i m sure u r aware of the HINDU agencies along with yr serving Forces people involved in killing muslims inside india and kashmir. Also dishonering women in kashmir by the hands of Public service Hindus.
As far as world is concered they are scared of muslims as its the most spreading religion, they are just scared of us. Do u really think that these people so trained for the attack (ofcorse by Indian agency) would leave their satellite phone…. who is india trying to fool besides itself….
Its the end of india, enough of bloodshed of muslims…. face the facts
Was this another Zaid Hamid’s theory, this guy can actually be a Hollywood script writer!!. No evidence is ever going to prove this Kasab guy was from Pakistan, they dont believe their president who accepted this, dont believe their media who accepted this, dont believe a pakistani citizen who was arrested and confessed, dont believe a father and Pakistani Citizen who said it was his son, dont believe the ID cards issued by the government to this guy, dont believe the villagers in Faridkot who say the last visit by Kasab was a year ago.
Probably this is the exact reason Indian forces are not sharing any evidence with Pakistan. When they have already decided it was “not a pakistani citizen”, I rather the government use my tax money to provide a meal to someone needy in India rather than even give a photo copy to Pakistan.
no dear this wasnt a Zaid Hamids theory it was a fact , unlike Indian media which start crying big even on nothing Pakistan media is taking the story slowly as the facts are being reviled. Yesterday only a small story was given as a lawyer came forward who has been following the case of persons that went missing from Nepal and are belived to be in Indian custody. today on further investigation a investigation journalist of The News was interviewed (the lawyer had claimed he gave the story to some one in News)
please learn to speak after the skies have been cleared and every thing become clear you guys cry when there is dust every where and claim you can see the hand of Pakistanis clearly grow up and be mature
Please read
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=18958
he appears to be a Pakistani citizen who’s father has not seen him for 4 years and is reported to be kidnapped by Indians from Nepal 2 years ago what you want Pakistani Govt to do about it ??????
yes,, i agree with vinay.
wat other proof do you need to accept that Kasab is from Pakistan?
His own father came out in public accepted the fact..
Come on guyzz wake up atleast now. Accept the flaws in ur country.
We too shall accept those in ours.
Both countries are equally corrupt and flawed.
What is the point in finding out the better of the worst?
Instead, compare yourselves with other growing countries like Singapore, Malaysia
and make efforts to grow like them.
Take the example of Japan and China. 20 yrs back, they were bitter enemies.
But now, they are good friends. They have put the past behind, and are helping each other grow. See yesterdays paper, the chinese and japanese PM’s came out together and stated
that they will work together to ensure the countries do not fall into recession.
This is the kind of positive growth we need.
We have a choice. We can help each other and grow together.
Or we can still fight together perish.
My God,, u guys really hear Only wht u want to YES That poor boy has a father pleading THAT MY SON WAS KIDNAPPED AND THE FATHER HAS NOT SEEN HIM FOR THE LAST 4 YEARS. Indian Agency kidnapped him as they wanted to use him to stage a drama like this to hide the biggest story in India that was involvement of Indian Military Intelligence officers in acts of terrorism against Muslims. Many Indian army officers were caught and Indian Police was forced to work deeper into finding more BJP, Bajrang Dal and RSS terrorists in Indian military and Intelligence setup. face the bitter realisties. I know its painful to know that your own country people who are suppose to protect u, kills yr leading investigating official(looking into Samjhota Train) and innocent people of mumbai. But this is what india is build on Blood of Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and now its own innocent people. WOw, wht a way to become world power…
Is the lawyer related to Zaid Hamid??? Where was he hiding all these days when Pakistan was vigorously supporting the Hamid theory. As I mentioned nothing can prove Pakistan involvement cause a loop can be found in any story. Believe the Lawyer or the world (Sorry for Pak Citizens, the world is Pakistan only).
Btw did you hear the same lawyer mention the WORLD IS FLAT, PIGS CAN FLY, BUSH HAS BEEN GIVEN THE NOBLE PRICE FOR ECONOMICS, OBAMA IS OSAMA’S SECOND SON.
ERUM,
1. Kasab’s father said Kasab LEFT HOME 4 yrs ago. not that he last saw Kasab 4 yrs ago. Pls recheck his statements.
2. The ppl of faridkot admit to seeing Kasab an year ago. How come they saw him if he has been kidnapped ?
3. UK made a seperate investigation into the facts and stated that Pakistan was involved in this mishap.
4. UK’s Prime Minister also stated that 75% of its terror attacks are executed from Pakistan soil.
5. Belguim police have prevented another terrorists attempt to kill the UK Prime Minister today. They claim that 3 of them involved have landed in UK from Pakistan just a week ago.
Now dont tell me that UK is also up against Pakistan. How come US, UK and India are all crying out the same story ? Infact, US has warned India of this attack 9 mnths ago too.. it was India’s security lapses that prevented the mishap from being stopped.
I just cant see why u refuse to even accept the facts. Solutions can be discussed only if ppl first accept the facts.
I am not saying India is perfect. But definitely, this one is not staged by Indians.
RAWALPINDI: A Pakistani lawyer C M Farooque claimed that many people, including Ajmal Kasab, were arrested before 2006 from Kathmandu by the Indian agencies with the help of Nepalese forces.
He said Ajmal Kasab went to the Napalese capital on a business tour. His application regarding his arrest was lying pending in the Nepalese Supreme Court in which a reply was sought from Nepalese forces and Indian High Commission.
While talking to the Geo News, C M Farooque Advocate said the Nepalese forces arrested almost 200 people including Ajmal Kasab before 2006 and his application in this regard was lying pending in the Nepalese Supreme Court in which Nepalese forces and Indian High Commission were made respondents.
The advocate said he wrote letters to Pakistan and Indian governments in this regard. He said that he had also addressed a press conference in Nepal highlighting the issue in which he revealed that the Nepalese forces arrested Ajmal Kasab and many others and held them at an unknown place and that these people would be used for their ulterior designs at some later stage. He said that he had no contact with Ajmal Kasab ever since he disappeared …. Read Full Story at
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=18958
oh come off it…
Qasab belongs to a very poor family and is educated only till the 4th grade.
He is not even employed. What business trip can he possibly go on?
and that too in 2006.. when Quasab was not even 20 years of age..
This whole discussion between various participants show the divide of two nations.It will be much better if we stick to the facts.Job of media in both the countries is to rake up the issues out of context.Way out I think is that India should complete a thorough probe and then place the facts before Pakistan if there are any nationals of that country involved and ask for action against such elements.Indian press should not jump the gun and conjure up absurd stories in this whole episode.Let all try to find out the truth and in no case truth can be covered by any falsehood.IN THE END TRUTH PREVAILS
TO all Pakistani
Now deny that the report submitted by FBI to its government after investigation regarding involvement of Pak agency into Mumbai attack……..wht’s ur comments r nw????
Well, its sad if u guys r still being naive… According to the Interpol INDIA HAS NO EVIDENCE OF PAKISTAN INVOLVEMENT & HAVE SHOWN 0 EVIDENCE TO USA. USA; INDIA & ISRAEL u guys r just after a nation like pakistan which is the only muslim state surviving on its own.. u guys just cant absorb tht…….
Wht about the investigation going within INDIA on the killing of 3 policeman (staged as militants killed them) who were about to expose INDIAN’s Serving army and other politicians involved in Samjhota train and many other muslim killing…
Wht do u have to say???
U guys have no proof but yr govt is playing smart to cover its own drama and killing its own people..
hey,
how come we are not able to submit any furthur comments in “Polygamy in Islam” topic ??
also, raheel has vilified and abused indians in several places. how come the moderators accept his comments? i understand that abusive language is banned in this blog ?
wat do u say now guys???? kassab is still not a pakistani ?
or is ur national security advisor lying too ?
New Delhi: Pakistan’s Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani sacked the country’s National Security Adviser Mahmud Ali Durrani on Wednesday for giving a statement regarding Ajmal Amir Kasab, the lone Pakistani terrorist arrested for the Mumbai attacks, without taking him into confidence.
Gilani said Durrani’s statement in which he had said that Kasab could be a Pakistani national had tarnished the country’s image.
However, Durrani repeated that Kasab has Pakistani links in an exclusive interview to CNN’s Reza Sayah.
CNN: Is the Pakistani government not convinced that the attackers had links to Pakistan?
Mahmud Ali Durrani: No! It probably would be true now. For example Kasab has Pakistani connections. So one cannot deny that there is zero link with Pakistan. How much and who all are involved that we will have to investigate.
Mumbai attackers could be Pakistanis: Pak NSA
Spoke too soon on Kasab, Pak NSA chief Durrani sacked
We had independently launched an investigation and of course the lead provided to us through our common friends. We used that and it has been very helpful. The ultimate objective is to catch these guys and lock them up for ever. Isn’t that the objective? No, that has to be done in a methodical fashion as is done in any criminal case.
CNN: Would you say in these past five-six weeks there has been more accusation or more cooperation?
Mahmud Ali Durrani: Unfortunately more accusation rather that cooperation. I wish it was the other way round. One of the main things that I would like is that Pakistan and India should not see each other as enemies anymore. That is the starting point. Once we start doing that and realise that our destinies are interlinked and we have to work together for the good of our two nations, as well as the good of the region and whole world.
Durrani made the admission on CNN-IBN first on December 30 when asked if some of the Mumbai attackers including Kasab could from Pakistan.
He replied, “Could be. I am not saying more than that because we don’t have… I hate to say this we don’t have proof.”
@MOderator
Whats wrong with the article below??? This relates to the topic, contains no abusive language but yet moderated!!! Seriously question the intent of this blog now.
I doubt if anyone in Pakistan is man enough to accept their faults. All the guys who aggressively defended Pakistan on the “saffron band, Karkare theory†are expected to at least tender a apology in a true gentleman style. I am sure this will be too much to ask from my brothers in Pakistan
This also goes to prove which media is misleading people and who the weak minded people are. Living in a state of denial, making every decision with India as a variable has cost this nation quite heavily.
Zaid and his brasstacks (AKA brass ticks) should be under a rock by now or making plans to run away to Dubai with their well earned wealth. I still don’t believe Pakistani’s will accept their fault and probably will find a new hero who can script a better Lollywood story.
Karkare dying in 5 minutes, Saffron Band, Lawyer, Nepal Newspaper, drinking beer, RSS conspiracy, etc. Just look at the links posted, it was almost like they got caught sideways in a Continuum-Color-Time-Warp and we actually responded
@All_Smile!
Since you are trying to portray it as a victory that our government has given initial signals that as per their own evidence, Ajmal Kasab might be a Pakistani citizen. I wonder if you trust our government so much then do accept the fact that they were the first to reject the fact that Pakistan is involved in this incident. Your over zealous comments and your short temper makes you a perfect client for the propaganda which the hindu terrorists spread in your mind since the very first day you opened your eyes.
Wasn’t your same media blamed Pakistan for train bombing and after two years of investigations, it was proved by one honest person that Indian intelligence and its own home bred terrorist organizations were involved in that crime. Moreover, no evidence is acceptable in any international court of justice from a person subjected to torture and kept under inhuman conditions in an undisclosed location in India. The mere fact that his nationality is Pakistani is least of an evidence that Pakistan was involved in this incident. We all know that hundreds of innocent people belonging to Pakistan are lying in the Indians jails and hence it is not difficult to implicate any one of them for this incident.
So come on just don’t be too excited and also hand over to us all those involved in the killing of innocent Pakistani’s in the train attack including RSS and BJP chiefs before asking for any one from Pakistan.
@Crackerpotato
oh god not again….
every indian here accepted the train blasts case was India’s flaw.. no one ever denied it.
infact, u got to know that it was done by Hindus only from the Indian media.
now come to this Kasab issue…
has one person come up and tendered an apology for all the abuses on India all these days?
wat happened to all the heroes of moderators here ???
esp the person who wrote this article?
come on come up front.
atleast now, stop brainwashing ur ppl before all the facts come to light
and ACCEPT THE TRUTH.. that is ur FIRST STEP TO SUCCESS