Music Halal or Haraam ? (Revisited)

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1 M Junaid Khan 06.26.08 at 9:40 am

Waqas i didnt get it! Why Prophet (pbuh) didn’t side with Abu Bakr if what Hazrat Aisha friends were doing is haram?
I still don’t get an explicit condemnation of it so can you please help me on it.

2 M Junaid Khan 06.26.08 at 9:46 am

By the way i must share a small incident with you! I was just listening to songs and at the same time i was downloading Quran to my laptop and this question came to my mind as if listening to songs is allowed in Islam?
To my surprise, when i refreshed the blog page, the first title that came in front of me was your post! I am still not convinced much but at least i deleted the 1000+ songs collection of mine!
Anyways, may Allah help us in following the right path! Ameen

3 sana 06.26.08 at 9:51 am

well done !! and am sure you will be available with a back up to explain Junaid’s query !

4 M Junaid Khan 06.26.08 at 10:11 am

lolz! In any case my collection is gone to Bin :P

5 apcslkdanial 06.26.08 at 11:59 am

I still cant clearly understand is music haram or not. Cant anybody xplain it clearly without contradications?

6 Adnan Siddiqi 06.26.08 at 1:55 pm

when Islam provided an alternative way in form of Naat and Hamd then why one dies to listen typical Music? Its nature of man to hear somethin in Harmony. Naat and Hamd does fulfill that.

Another reason of avoiding Songs etc tht they consist of typical “fake” poetry. If you read Quran, Allah has cursed poets except those who said things in praise of Allah and Rasool(SAW)

7 Waqas Ali 06.26.08 at 4:07 pm

Assalam-u-alaikum Wa Rehmatullahe Wa Baraka Tu Hu

First and for most I appologize I could make it sound convincing enough. This is a failure on my behalf and here is something in a lot of detail.

I will write another continuation on this and inshALLAH will be in much more detail and stronger points =)

I am sorry or the inconvenience.

Assalam-u-alaikum

8 M Junaid Khan 06.26.08 at 5:58 pm

Walaikum Salams!
We will be really looking forward to it.

9 Kurri 06.26.08 at 6:54 pm

I read on another blog that music is not haram. More specifically, I read it at http://think-islam.blogspot.com/2008/02/is-music-prohibited-in-islam.html .. What’s your take on that?

10 DL 06.26.08 at 6:54 pm

The prohibition of music never made sense to me. I just find it way too repressive. Its a basic human desire to create and enjoy beautiful things, and music is one of the most beautiful things a person can create.

@Adnan: I don’t gather how a poem that doesn’t mention God suddenly becomes a “fake” one. There is tons of literature just talking about the miracles and ups and downs of life, nature, human relations, and the list goes on and on. I don’t understand how any one in his right mind would classify that as “fake”.
Secondly, even though the argument of the lyrics of the songs being fake doesn’t hold water, still, what about music without any words?

11 Waqas 06.26.08 at 10:28 pm

At brother DL, the prohibition of music never made sense because you never wanted it to make sense. You say its your desire and we all know desires can be evil. Rape is also someones desire for sex and sex is also human nature. Your argument does not hold any grounds. Plus, if you are having problems leaving something that clearly means you are in one way or the other addicted to it and any form of addiction in Islam is Haraam =)

Coming to the quotes at brother Adnan. A poem that does not mention God does not become fake unless it holds no grounds to begin with. A poem would not be fake on the basis that it does not have the word. In fact adding the word God wont make a difference either. Unless and until the poem is about God (in hid glory) it is unislamic. Real, but unislamic. =)

Music without words can only come from musical instruments or people making instrumental sounds from their mouth. Musical instruments are Haraam 100%. You can read in the article. Musical sounds from the mouth pretty much makes you look like a fool to begin with and also is Haraam, that is the reason why the Prophet (pbuh) objected on something as small as the bell.

12 sana 06.26.08 at 10:59 pm

am loving it !! waqas in his usual debating self:p

13 DL 06.27.08 at 3:40 am

I am surprised that you yourself are convinced by your arguments.

You say, listening to music is a desire, desires “can” be evil, therefore music is bad. You further create an analogy with sex, and say that clearly rape is bad. Now, there is an important difference between sex and rape. Sex is a human desire, but rape is infringing upon another human’s rights to fulfil that desire. If that desire is fulfilled without violating anyone’s rights, it is perfectly legitimate. While listening to or creating music, you are not infringing upon anyone’s rights, so your analogy doesn’t carry over. Regarding desires: humans desire to eat good, to dress well, to enjoy life, so desires aren’t bad in and of themselves, if you infringe upon other’s rights to fulfil them, then thats bad.

Regarding addiction: I am having no problems leaving it because I am making no efforts at leaving it, nor do I intend to.

If a poem isn’t about God, its unislamic. So? I don’t know what it even means to label a poem talking about nature or human relations as ‘unislamic’? A very confused argument.

Music without words: Include computer generated music in your list too!
Music coming from the mouth makes you like a fool? Really? Even if someone thinks I look like a fool, so what?

You can say that you believe that music is haraam because the hadiths say so, and I will buy that argument, but the reasons you are giving to justify that prohibition don’t stand on sound and solid reasoing. Simply say that I don’t listen to it because the scripture I believe in says so.

14 M Junaid Khan 06.27.08 at 4:23 am

Assalam-0-Alaikum!
Brother DL and Waqas! Looking at your discussion, i got my answer at least. Since we know that imaan in Ghaib is an important component of Islam so i would not listen to music considering the fact that there are Hadiths prohibiting it. But i tend to agree with DL that till date i haven’t got convincing responses. But in any case, i will go with what i said earlier and try my best to avoid it.

15 Waqas Ali 06.27.08 at 3:48 pm

I would like to quote you first if you do not mind “You can say that you believe that music is haraam because the hadiths say so, and I will buy that argument, but the reasons you are giving to justify that prohibition don’t stand on sound and solid reasoing. Simply say that I don’t listen to it because the scripture I believe in says so.”

Brother, if you agree that music is haraam according to religion, then I have my job half done. Al mighty God would not forbid something that is not harmful for us. Before medical science had advanced so much people use to say that what is wrong with eating pork. Today, we know hoe many deceases one can have by eating pork, even a fraction of it is harmful for the body.

Coming back to the argument, this is the scientific aspect:

Music affects the amplitude and frequency of brain waves, which can be measured by an electro-encephalogram. Music also affects breathing rate and electrical resistance of the skin. It has been observed to cause the pupils to dilate, increase blood pressure, and increase the heart rate.

Certain kinds of music are energizing for your children’s minds and can help them learn much faster, and even help them digest their food better. Other types of music actually drain energy from your children’s brains and bodies and can actually affect their hormone levels (this is especially a problem with teens).

Music affects cell protoplasm and even chromosomes. Consider what you are passing on to your children and their children.

Educators and researchers are finding direct relationships between music and television habits and the mental, verbal and behavioral development of our children.

There are pros and cons to listening to music similarly there are pros and cons to smoking or alcohol. Just like both are declared Haraam in Islam, so is Music.

Coming back to, the comparision I made and you said as long as you are not violating anyone rights, it is fine and you made a statement “If that desire is fulfilled without violating anyone’s rights, it is perfectly legitimate.”

So your telling me that illegal sexual intercourse is right if the guy and the girl are fine with it? Brother my intention is not to hurt you or make you feel bad. If I have done that in any way, I apologize. I am just trying to help you as a Muslim.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask. It is not only helping you but helping me (to gain more knowledge and aware of counter arguments) and other who read this =).

JazakALLAH Khair

References for the scientific arguments I listed:

1. Tame, David. The Secret Power of Music. Destiny Books, 1984. pp. 141-145.

2. Ibid., p. 145.

3. Lipkin, Richard. Insight Magazine, April 4, 1988. p. 58.

4. Healy, Jane M., Ph.D. Endangered Minds. Touchstone, 1990. p. 51

5. Tame, David. The Secret Power of Music. Destiny Books, 1984. p. 138.

6. Ibid., p.141.

7. Ostrander, Sheila & Schroeder, Lynn. Super Learning 2000. Delacorte Press, 1994. pp. 91-94.

8. Ibid., p. 95.

16 Waqas Ali 06.27.08 at 3:50 pm

At Sana: All in the days work.. :P

17 DL 06.27.08 at 8:58 pm

Regarding the scientific arguments, of course music has physiological and psychological effects on you. Lots of other things do too; eating, playing, sleeping …. The fact that it can have a good and bad psychological effect on you is not a strong reason to classify it as categorically bad. Lots of things have good and bad effects on you, think watching television, reading books, socializing etc. The fact that it has a possibility of having a bad effect is not a good enough reason, when I know that a lot of times it has a very positive and energizing effect on me. Harmonious and melodious sounds are found every where in nature, and it only seems natural to me that humans also be allowed to create and enjoy them.

Having said that, I am not a religous scholar, and I am not judging the authenticity of the hadiths you quoted above. I am simply saying that I never understood the reasons behind the prohibition. If you are a really pious muslim, then you shouldn’t listen to it. But all too often we justify the things we believe in with half baked and flimsy reasons. Like Junaid commented above, if you don’t have a good reason, then don’t try to pretend that you have one either, say, that its prohibited, I don’t exactly know why, God knows better, and I choose to follow what He said.

For myself, I choose not to deprive myself of one of the most beautiful things life has to offer.

18 M Junaid Khan 06.28.08 at 2:44 am

I think DL this time brother Waqas was elaborate in his answer and i tend to agree to a greater level with him.
You see there is harm in over eating and Islam said it as well. There is harm in over sleeping and that is why Islam even defined our sleeping habits so if Islam ban something all together, it means its harmful affects over shadow its beneficial affects. Anyways, am not even close to be an expert in this field, i am just trying to give you my opinion about all this discussion.
Anyways, we must appreciate one thing that the discussion is taking place in a highly civilized manner rather then what we see these days all around us.

19 DL 06.28.08 at 3:22 pm

Thats the problem with citing other commenters in your comments; if they change their mind, your argument looks weaker than it really is :D

I still maintain my point that the arguments quoted are not convincing enough. The thing is, that when a person is prohibited from something which he has a natural inclination to enjoy, its not enoguh to say that God said so, so don’t do it. You have to persuade the person through argumentation. But if that person “wants” to believe that the prohibition is justified, he will latch on to the most flimsiest of reasons that justify it; he is very highly biased in his judgement. Note a very important difference: I am not saying that there is no reason to believe that music is bad; what I am saying is that we do not know of any good reason, and we compromise our integrity by believing in half baked reasons and the slightest evidence that it might be bad, without being objective about it at all.

Have the courage to say “I don’t know”, or “God has prohibited it so he must have done so because of a good reason”, but please be objective and honest about the reasons you use to justify the prohibition. Religion teaches you atleast this much.

Overly religious people have a tendency to use slightest of (even false) evidence to justify their beliefs. Many of you would have gotten emails saying this or that thing in Islam has now been proved by this or that scientist. Some of them are true, but some of them aren’t, and upon careful scrutiny, you can see through the false claims. Once again, I am not saying that what was said in religion was wrong, what I am pointing you towards is the fact that religious people often have a tendency to justify their beliefs for the wrong reasons, and they are much more likely to use such reasons when the prohibition is against things we naturally enjoy.

If you want to follow the prohibition, do so, but have the courage to say “I don’t know” when you don’t, and don’t be dishonest to yourself by justifying it for all the wrong reasons.

20 Waqas Ali 06.28.08 at 8:10 pm

Brother DL, first and for most I would really like to congratulate you for being a free thinker. Its people like you who actually make Daawa fun and also once people like you are convinced they actually be very good Daee’s themself.

Fine, I agree with your argument that it has positives aspect and I pointed that out myself, it has positives aspects to it. If you categorize bird sounds as music then that is not music. The music that is considered Haraam is guitar, flute, drums and all.

Music is said no for a number of reason, I did not want to tire you with long list of things to why music is forbidden because in most cases short answers are more effective and pretty reasonable.

Music is considered Haraam for the following reasons:

1. Music leads to doing of sins, as we see a lot of musicians today doing drugs, sexual intercourse, alcohol and showing off wealth. All of which is Haraam. Close to 90% of musicians do all of these things and almost 99% of them do alcohol.

2. To all those that say Allah created it, and it’s beautiful, so it’s permissible, that is totally obsurd. Allah created drugs, pigs, weapons, alcohol, women, etc. Does that make murder, drinking, adultery, etc. Halal? No. Same with music. This is a test from Allah.

If Rasulullah (saw) were alive now, would you go ahead and play music in front of him? Honestly, I doubt anybody with any sense of love for him would.

3. Also, it effects your mood and feelings and thinking. it also takes you away from reading Quran, listening to Quran, Salat or doing good deeds. It is a waste of time, it takes you away from all your Muslims duty.

If you were to analyze the current situation, I like in Canada and I have a lot of Muslim friends and I see a lot of Muslims on bus. They have there ipods, mp3 players in their ears and waste time rather then listen to a surah or reading a translation of a Surah.

I want to close my answer by saying that it does not affect me whether YOU listen to music or not. I just want the best for you, because Allah is always watching and He is aware of all things. My job is to share with you politely and logically the reasoning behind things that Allah has given me understanding of.

I hope this is a better help for you. Assalam-u-alaikum

21 Waqas Ali 06.28.08 at 8:11 pm

InshALLAH i will write a follow up on why music is Haraam, it is very much needed =)

Assalam-u-alaikum =)

22 Mohammad Yusha 06.30.08 at 5:27 pm

Interesting. Even though i have a collection of hadith and verses from the Quran i will not mention them or give the link. Everyone can feel the condition of their eman. It is something you feel. After you pray, after you read the Quran you feel it increase. Similarly, after listening to music you feel as though eman has decreased immensely. No need to go into Quran and Hadith.

Naats and Nasheeds of today are haram. They are sung on the tune of movie songs and with musiacal instruments.

23 Waqas 07.01.08 at 7:02 am

Assalam-u-alaikum Wa Rehmatullahe Wa Baraka Tu Hu

Brother Mohammad if you do not wish to mention that is completely up to you but you should know that gaining knowledge for a Muslim is Farz. Similarly, the Prophet may ALLAH be pleased with him said, If you know a single Verse of knowledge, spread it. So if you are a learned Muslim it then becomes a duty for you to spread your knowledge.

Spreading knowledge without reference just seems very illogical because the person is always second guessing wither the statement is true or just a mere jugglery of words to fit ones purpose.

24 Mohammad Yusha 07.01.08 at 11:00 am

No…..U got me completely wrong. What i meant was that people who believe music to be halal also know the Hadiths which forbids music. All i meant to say was that the easiest way to check whether something is halal or haram is to “feel” the level of eman after a deed, good or bad.

I have no problems in giving the link brother

http://www.chowrangi.com/music-2.html

25 Waqas Ali 07.01.08 at 4:24 pm

Assalam-u-alaikum Wa Rehmatullahe Wa Baraka Tu Hu

I agree that people might know the Hadith’s and still consider it Halal but there are also people who wish to learn more and honestly you have written an amazing article which I could use in further debates =).

Secondly, people who are blessed by ALLAH all mighty do feel if they do something wrong but there are others who are also muslim and believe music to be right. They are also muslim and good muslims like Yousuf Islam (he is a revert).

JazakALLAh Khair for the link =)

Assalam-u-alaikum

26 Rehan 07.22.08 at 6:55 am

I pray 5 times a day, read the quran, & fulfill all my religious duties; I don’t take drugs, & niether do I smoke or drink alcohol - yet I sing & play the guitar in a rock band & I absolutely love music to the core… I believe that God has given me this gift of guitar playing & I will keep on playing… I think people need to chill out a little & open their minds.

27 sana 07.22.08 at 8:18 am

Rehan its glad to hear that you avoid such things which are very frequently used by youngsters these days , its worthy of apapreciation . As for your guitar you should know that waqas (the author ) use to play gutar too , it would be wrong if i say not a lotta ppl knew him and din associate a guitar with him . There must be something that motivated him to stop , specially do it himself. That is all i can sya at the momment i guess , no body is forcing anyone to stop someting and no one is imposing anything , the article is a mere collection of references from Quran and hadith in the light of this argument . This coming from someone who actually played guitar 18 hours a day is commendable !:)

28 Umair 09.27.08 at 7:15 pm

Salam to all friends…
I wanted to share my comment with u that is wheather music gives us energy n fun but in my view it is not haram but prohibted(makruh) in islam.
Let me explain:-
we all know that alcohal(sharab) is haram. reason? because when we drink it we are not in sense and become addicted to it>
wheater we drink a very light quantity of alcohal which definatly not effected on our health as well as we are in sense too. but it is haram…
similarly music is also a addiction. people who love music know very well this feeling. Although in is we are in our sense but some times we make such blunder mistakes in music that is not allowed in islam. examples:- bad or shirkia,vourgler lyrics. Too hard music that makes any one disturb,waste of time, as well as porn dances in music. this all makes us to become addicted of it and as well as makes us away from religion. In this way music is haram in islam. In my view only sufiana music(religious music is halal that is of shah abdul latif bhitai,nusrat fateh ali khan and many more..
But i must say that i am not a mufti. I tell u all thinks in logicall mannar. for further details of islamic point of view plz contact ant mufti or alim-e-din.
For comments plz contact 03142596569.
U can call me as well as sms me.

29 Umair 09.27.08 at 7:29 pm

ISlam main aj kal kay dino jaisa music mana hai.. Every mufti in islam is commited that ciggrates is makruh ansha) from it.d even some of them said that it is haram. Even when we smoke we are in sense and we dont get and kind of addiction(nasha) that makes us unconcious. Similarly music is also an addiction(nasha) and even we don’t get any kind of harm in our practical life but it is totally makruh and should be avoided. Hope u agree with me..
comments can be only be pass on my no that is given above as well as bottem.
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I am waiting for ur comments…

30 Dr. Rafeh 10.25.08 at 5:13 am

Assalam u allaikum to all friends
i m very happy dat Islam is being discussed here with open views and Islam isnt a mere religion.it is a complete way of livng life.v al r creations of the Creator, The Almighty Allah wat he knws is absolutly just nd v shdnt argue Him. He has made music haram for us.it is haram as provd by Quran nd Hadiths.music is harmful coz Allah’s verses are absolutly right.
Avoid music .it can harm us if nt here den definitly hereafter.moreover ths world is a test plac for us. V hv to sacrifice our lasting desires so dat v cn get everlastng thngs on d day of judgement.
May Allah show us Sirat ul Mustaqeem.AMEEN.

31 Hamad 11.07.08 at 1:05 am

Why didn’t Allah prohibit Music in the Qur’an ? Everything else is clearly prohibited in Islam, yet we dwell on the permissibility of music..
As far as the hadiths go, i understand they can be very powerful of course. but, as we all know, some hadiths, even bukhari, can be fabricated.

my question is this,

why would muhammed (pbuh) preach against music, if god hasnt mentioned it in the quran?

32 Ahmed Zuhair 11.07.08 at 12:37 pm

Dear Hammad,
Please make one thing very very clear that NO SINGLE HADITH IS FABRICATED IN SAHIH BOOKS.
Just because in some classes its not known that how much hard work has been done to make sure the authenticity of Hadith dosent mean that u put the charges of Fabrication on the great scholar.
If you accept what u say (Hadits even bukhari may have been fabricated) than you totally cut off the source of Hadith. I cant accept to build my life on the book of a person whom i think is a lier.

Just to add to you knowledge the Muslim Umaah created many new branches of knowledge that didnt exist before just for the judgement of Authenticity of Hadith. lifes of More than 100 thousand people were fully preserved because they were used as references in Hadith.

May be you wanted to say that some person quote Hadith being from Sahih Bukhari or other Sahih books when they are not actually there. but this can be checked by purchasing the Orignal books or even some are available on net.

I cant explain every thing very well due to may own lack of knowledge but just want to clear that that there is no fabricated Ahadith in Sahih books

33 Hamad 11.08.08 at 6:08 am

I think it’s obvious when a hadith is authentic just by its nature..

don’t we view the Quran as complete?
http://www.submission.org/music.html

check that out, and let me know if it’s valid.
thanks for your input

Salam

34 Waqas Ali 11.22.08 at 1:44 pm

Brother Hamad, the Quran on its own is complete, what you need to understand is that people who say the Quran is enough are people who do not have knowledge of Islam.

How can one person say that the Quran is enough and pray 5 times a day, he would not know how. The process of how you pray your namaz comes from the Hadith not the Quran. The Quran does not even speak of 5 prayers, it has Surah Al Asr, Surah Al Fajr but no where is it said that these are Salah even in the Surahs

Hope you have a clearer vision of the subject now =)

35 Hamad 11.25.08 at 3:07 am

Ah…I understand Prophet Muhammad’s ahadiths SUPPLEMENT the Quran, yes of course. But why would a hadith speak against something the Quran doensn’t even mention once?
Example: The Quran mentions prayer, so Muhammad teaches how to pray.
Why would Muhammad forbid music if the Quran doesn’t mention it?

36 Mohammad Yusha 11.25.08 at 9:40 am

MUSIC WEAKENS EMAN WHETHER A PERSON BELIEVES IT TO BE HALAL OR HARAM.WHO SAYS IT IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE QURAN.

Allah Most High says:

“And there are among men, those that purchase idle tales, to mislead from the path of Allah and throw ridicule. For such there will be a humiliating punishment.” (Surah Luqman, V. 6)

The great Companion Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud (R.A.)states in the explanation of the word “idle tales”:

“By Allah its meaning is music.” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi, 1/223 authenticated by al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, 2/411)

Imam Ibn Abi Shayba related with his own transmission that he (Ibn Mas’ud) said: “I swear by Him besides Whom there is no God that it refers to singing.” (132/5)

The great Companion and exegete of the Qur’an, Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) states:

“The meaning of the word is music, singing and the like.” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi, 1/221& Musannaf Ibn abi Shayba, 132/5)

He also stated:

“Music and the purchase of female singers.” (Musannaf Ibn Abi Shayba, 132/5)

Hasan al-Basri said:

“This verse was revealed in relation to singing and musical instruments.” (Tafsir ibn Kathir, 3/442)

“Those who witness no falsehood, and if they pass by futility, they pass by it with honourable avoidance.” (Surah al-Furqan, V. 72)

Imam Abu Bakr al-Jassas relates from Imam Abu Hanifah that the meaning of “falsehood (zur)” is music and song. (Ahkam al-Qur’an, 3/428)

“Lead to destruction those whom you can among them with your (seductive) voice.” (Surah al-Isra, V.64)

One of the great exegete, Mujahid interpreted the word “voice (sawt)” by music, singing, dancing and idle things. (Ruh al-Ma’ani, 15/111)

Imam Suyuti (Allah have mercy on him) quoted Mujahid as saying: “Voice (in this verse) is singing and flute.” (al-Iklil fi istinbat al-tanzil, 1444)

Another exegete, Dahhak also interpreted the word “Sawt” with flutes. (Qurtubi, al-Jami` li Ahkam al-Qur’an, 10/288)

37 Mohammad Yusha 11.25.08 at 9:44 am

HERE’S SOME HADITH

Abd Allah Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah said: Verily Allah has forbidden alcohol, gambling, drum and guitar, and every intoxicant is haram (Musnad Ahmad & Sunan Abu Dawud).

Sayyiduna Abu Malik al-Ashari reports that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: There will appear people in my Ummah, who will hold adultery, silk, alcohol and musical instruments to be lawful (Sahih al-Bukhari)

Abd Allah ibn Masud reports that the Messenger of Allah said: Song makes hypocrisy grow in the heart as water makes plants grow (Sunan al-Bayhaqi).

Sayyiduna Ali ibn Talib reports that the blessed Messenger of Allah said: “When my Ummah begin doing fifteen things, they will be inflicted with tribulations, and (from those 15 things He said): “When female singers and musical instruments become common.” (Sunan Tirmidhi)

Na’fi reports that once Abd Allah ibn Umar heard the sound of a Sheppard’s flute. He put his fingers in his ears, turned his mule away from the road and said: “O Nafi’! Can you hear? I (Nafi’) replied with the affirmative. He carried on walking (with his fingers in his ears) until I said: “the sound has ceased” He removed his fingers from his ears, came back on to the road and said: “I saw the Messenger of Allah doing the same when he heard the flute of the Sheppard.” (Abu Dawud,Ibn Majah)

Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Umar reports that the Messenger of Allah said: “Verily Allah has forbidden alcohol, gambling, drum and guitar, and every intoxicant is haram.” (Musnad Ahmad, Sunan Abu Dawud)

Abu Umama reports that the Messenger of Allah said: “Allah Mighty and Majestic sent me as a guidance and mercy to believers and commanded to destroy musical instruments, flutes, strings, crucifixes, and the affairs of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance.”(Musnad Ahmad, Abu Dawud)

Sayyiduna Anas (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah said: “On the day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress.” (Ibn Asakir, Ibn al-Misri)

ONCE AGAIN, MUSIC WEAKENS EMAN, BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT

38 Hamad 11.26.08 at 3:42 am

“And there are among men, those that purchase idle tales, to mislead from the path of Allah and throw ridicule. For such there will be a humiliating punishment.” (Surah Luqman, V. 6)

Even if “idle tales” means music, this verse doesn’t clearly forbid it. It mentions that those who purchase idle tales TO MISLEAD FROM THE PATH OF ALLAH will have a humiliating punishment. What about idle tales that don’t mislead from the path of Allah? (ex. A Muslim who prays 5 times a day while maintaining a hobby or career in music?)

Otherwise, where is the sin? Prophet Muhammad is the greatest human scholar of the Quran. He never mentioned explicitly that this verse forbids music.

The common hadith that most people cite in perspective of forbidding music:
‘From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk (clothes), the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.’

The above hadith has been refuted among scholars.

This is a quote from a website:

In fact, the hadith in hand dispraises the manners of a group of people who indulge themselves in luxuries, drinking alcohol and listening to music. Therefore, Ibn Majah narrates this hadith from Abu Malik Al-Ash`ari in the following wording: “From among my followers there will be some people who will drink wine, giving it other names while they listen to musical instruments and the singing of female singers; Allah the Almighty will make the earth swallow them and will turn them into monkeys and pigs.” (Reported by Ibn Hibban in his Sahih )

Read more hear:

http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles/misc/music_in_islam.asp

There are many other websites for music.

It’s not fair to say it’s Haram, as Haram is a strong word and only Allah makes things haram. Atleast say it’s debated, or makrooh.

Peace to all my brothers, Muslim or non Muslim.

39 Waqas Ali 12.31.08 at 6:24 pm

My brother Hamad

You have given some great information but Allah Subhana Wa Ta Aala does not point out everything that is wrong in the Quran, a lot comes from the Sunnah, for example the way to pray Namaz. So Sunnah is very important by Sunnat i mean Hadiths.

A lot comes from the Hadith and we see the time of Abraham, Moses, Eesa and all, Music was Haraam then and is Haraam now. Not makrooh but Haraam meaning forbidden.

=)

40 Aarif 01.04.09 at 1:21 am

jazakallah brother great points, and i hope you wont mind if i make a video discussing these things.

41 Aarif 01.04.09 at 1:21 am

using these exact points, i will give this site as a reference

42 Habib-Toronto 01.04.09 at 2:00 pm

Salamun Aleykum,
For a believer, Whatever forbidden in Quran and/or Hadith, is forbidden……that’s it…no justifications, no whys, no whats, no hows and no personal ideologies. Its not to be proved and justified by science, philosophy and whatever means. Science is under Islam and Islam Doesn’t need its help to be believed and proved.
When I went through the discussion i was thinking of some occasions,
When Sharab was declared haram, no body from Prophet`s(PBUH) companions(RA) asked why, prove it by science then we will stop it……….and now in this Roshan Khayali Era we are so open and courageous to ask these questions.
After Meraage, no questions…..whatever He(PBUH) said that was enough for them(RA) to believe and think if this would have been declared to the Roshan Khayal people of this century what would they say…..
And for many other aspects like pork , non-zabeeha , interest and lottery are haram, also about SHAQ AL QAMAR, they did not raise these WHYS AND WHATS AND HOWS but some people of 21st century have got so much ROSHNI that they want justifications to believe……….(Thanks to Musharraf)
Friends, it is to be remembered for all of us that one day we have to be accountable for our words and our thoughts/beliefs, Islam doesn’t need us and we are the one who need Islam for our success in life and hereafter.
Thanks a lot,
My apologies for any one offended.
Habib Chaudhry

43 Hamad 01.06.09 at 7:39 pm

Brother Habib,

I agree with what you have stated. But my point is that, music is not clearly forbidden from Quran, and the hadith forbidding music is considered weak by some scholars. If we consider the Quran to be the complete law giver, then it should mention the sin in music, yet it does not. Also, the previously stated Hadith has some flaw in it…‘From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk (clothes), the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.’

This hadith mentions wearing as silk as unlawful, yet we understand that silk is only forbidden for men. This hadith leads me to believe that silk is unlawful for all, but we know it is only unlawful for men. So already, i find some issues with this hadith.

Also, how can music be haraam, but then be allowed on eid and weddings? How can ANYTHING that is haraam (alcohol, gambling, etc) be allowed on certain holidays and occasions? Many hadith allow music on these days…but how?

I hope everyone can understand the lack of evidence i notice with the issue of music.

Regardless, thank you all for your valued input! And i’m not looking for a reason of why music is forbidden, I want good evidence as to why it is forbidden..

happy new year to all, and peace be with you!

- Hamad

44 Hamad 01.07.09 at 4:31 am

I want good evidence as to HOW it’s forbidden***

45 asma 01.07.09 at 1:20 pm

JazakAllah Brother Habib, Waqas, and all the rest for this jihad against music. May Allah reward you all abundantly. Music is the call of Shaitan.It also leads to other evils, as mentioned earlier.
A small request to all my bothers out there who are engaged in these everyday jihads….before we try to give dawaa and convince someone, lets first pray two rakaat nafl and ask Allah to help us accomplish our mission and give ‘hidayat’ to all. Coz no matter how hard we try, only Alah SWT can give ‘hidayat’. May Allah SWT guide us all to Siratul Mustaqeem. Ameen.

46 Habib-Toronto 01.07.09 at 2:24 pm

The most important reason is that the Quran and Hadith have prohibited it:

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The Ulama have described that music has been declared unlawful by this verse of the Quran also

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??????? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ??????? ??????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ????????? (????? ???????: 3/185)

And when it has been proved haram by the Quran and Hadith there is no need for any other proof.
I dont know why people are so curious to scratch out exemptions from certain well-established concerns, like they would die if they stop doing a certain munkar amal. This purely a characteristic found in Bani Israel.
In this modern era of awareness and knowlege, if somebody is still looking for proof and justifications(actually looking for a clue to fulfill his/her own desire for a particular munkar amal), then we should leave it to the day of judgement, where Allah SWT Himself will `justify` and give `enough evidences` for `satisfactions`.
Ehdenaas siratal mustaqeem,
Habib Chaudhry

47 Habib-Toronto 01.07.09 at 2:31 pm

The question marks:
Actually I posted A hadith in original arabic wording and a verse of Quran, but is not supported by the format.

48 Anonymous 05.25.09 at 1:15 pm

Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 568:
“Narrated Abu Musa that the Prophet said to him’ “O Abu Musa! You have been given one of the musical wind-instruments of the family of David.’”

I guess this should translate to: “O Abu Musa! You have been given one of the haram things from the family of David.”

“I question you, how is this verse show any relevance to how music is Halal ? A lot of people have a misconception and this specially applies to Muslims living in the west that Prophet Dawood (pbuh) sang /composed the Psalms or the Zaboor on a musical instrument. It is a common misconception even amongst some of the scholars that Prophet Dawood (pbuh) sang the Psalms in accompany of music. If Prophet Dawood (pbuh) was to sing the Psalms or compose it would it be the word of ALLAH or the word of Prophet Dawood (pbuh)?

The Zaboor (Psamls) was revealed just like the Quran, Torah and the Injeel. The misunderstood in this context which is taken for singing is the word Az- Zaboor which means “A Sacred Song” which by no means is an implication of allowing music. This word was given to the beauty of the Zaboor (Psalms) and how Prophet Dawood (pbuh) use to recite it. If one was to read the Psalms (in the Old Testament) one would find a mention of singing and an instrument but not in the context that it would apply to singing.”

The above hadith, which you must accept as sahih (otherwise you’d be flip-flopping) shows that a group of Allah’s followers were given, you guessed it, a MUSICAL INSTRUMENT, and to say that the hadith talking about illegal sex, alcohol, silk, and musical instruments is sahih, puts you in a corner when you have to accept the other. This is the problem with accepting ahadith in general.

By the way, the above hadith came from the “Virtues of the Quran” category, so, why would a musical instrument, something you and countless brainless scholars claim to be haram, would be used for leisure, or worse yet, an act of worship?

And finally, your argument makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. You’re whining that Dawood didn’t compose it himself, which means nothing. You also say it’s a revelation from God, which doesn’t help your argument either. Then you go on saying Dawood recited it, which means he sang/played an instrument (he was given one) to recite God’s revelations. If music and singing was haram, God would not allow it as a means of worship or reciting his words. That’s like saying committing zina can be used to reflect on God’s revelations or is “divine” like Dawood’s object. Quite sad and you should also know that Bukhari has in his books one contradiction after another, and such is the case here.

Needless to say, a baby enjoys the sound of singing, music, and musical instruments at the age of >1 - 3. Note he is free of committing sins during this time. He cannot be judged based on words or his actions, due to the fact he cannot comprehend what it means to believe, or what it means to sin. However, he can enjoy music with the SAME state of mind as an adult human being can. Note the state of mind would not be the same if the baby was committing zina (yeah right), eating haram meat or drinking alcohol, as the state of the adult being.

So you think, that Allah is happy to see a baby moving to a beat, yet is angry at his mother or father who are next to him doing the same? How laughable. Keep up with the poor logic.

49 Anonymous 05.26.09 at 5:01 am

And another thing. It’s funny how people desperately try to twist the meaning of verses in the Quran to suit their biased hopes and opinions. Once they find no proof of prohibition for music and singing (and sahih ahadith fight with each other regarding this issue) they try to make their insensicle interpretation of the verses in the Quran, laws that every person should abide by.

Surprising is the fact the people who try to convince others of this prohibition use a hadith which elaborates on the verse containing “idle talk” saying it means singing, even though in this case, it’s not using Quranic proof. It’s using a hadith, which, only joins the rumble of ahadith regarding music.

But here’s the most interesting part. Even if idle talk is referring to music, by no means is this verse a claim showing that music is haram. It only means utilizing it to mislead men is haram. Note that any method used to mislead men from the path of God is also haram. Would then, listening to your Ipod after school be in accordance to this verse, even if “idle talk” refers to music? Absolutely not. Stop dwelling in the stupidity of Islamic fundamentalism and think. Hell, my second command in my previous sentence is an ayah itself.

50 Anonymous 06.30.09 at 12:54 pm

What’s very interesting is the fact “idle talk” is actually a translation of “lahwa al-hadith” in the Arabic script of the Quran. It would have given the reader a more comprehensive understanding by translating it to “baseless hadith” which is exactly the meaning of the verse, hadith (from Al-Bukhari for example) that is plagiarized from the false book of the bible: http://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/09/06/hadith-plagiarized-from-the-bible/

After reading the article in the above link the viewer will come to know that Bukhari did not even write the entire collection of hadith known today as “Sahih Al-Bukhari.”

-Anonymous

51 Sameer 06.30.09 at 9:36 pm

Assalaam-o-alaikum!

I wasn’t willing to comment but the biasedness of the author forced me to do so. His highlightings in red shows that he wants to distract the attention of the readers towards his ideology :)

Few questions I’d ask the dear author and all his supporters:
1. What r the opposites of Haram and Makrooh? and what’s the difference b/w Lahwal Hadeeth and Haram? and are all lahwal hadeeth haraam?

2. If you’ve got ahadith that shows the acceptibility of music, how can you justify your stance of making Music HARAM? Quran condems poetry too, why isn’t it made HARAM?

3. What if Hazrat Abdur Razaq mentions by narrating Hazrat Ibn-e-Omar that Prophet Dawood used musical instruments, would you ignore it? coz, i never find any hadith or Qur’an contrary to that.

4. Even if singing is permitted, one hadith quotes that on the doomsday the they will be punished by pouring into their ears for hearing the voice of a singer. Now why don’t you point out singing as HARAM too? Why is this offer only valid for the music or its instruments?

5. If musical instruments are HARAM, then what is DAFF (or hand-drum)? And the beats it make, why aren’t they music?
6. If musical instruments are HARAM, how can SPEAKERS be HALAL? Why do we have such musical instruments in our mosques? And if u (lamely) try to justify that speakers r not instruments, then is it HALAL to hear music from them? :p
7. If scientific reasonings are used to make a thing HARAM due to its demerits, then why isn’t beef haram? why isn’t camel meat haram? these two things bear so many hazards but r halal. why r other things that r HAZARDOUS not HARAM?
8. If SAHIH AHADEETH r always sahih or non-contradictory. What wud u say abt a hadeeth in ibn-e-maja that indicates that Qur’an is revealed in Sha’ban (contrary to what Qur’an tells that it was revealed in Ramadan)? What would you say about Bukhari’s hadeeth abt the way to offer Salaah while the exactly next one contradicts the method?

9. Last but not least, if we quote hadeeth that the musician or a painter will be having the BIGGEST/MOST SEVERE punishment in hell, then why isn’t there any single verse in the Qur’an that indicates music to be haram, just like drinking wine? why isn’t there a single word of “MOSEEQEE”? If Allah can mention major things like zakat etc. (and as every Haram thing is MAJOR too) and even minor things (like saying Masha Allah), then why didn’t Allah discussed even a speck of this (so-called) SERIOUS ISSUE?

I’ll be looking forward to your honest (and unbiased) response :)

52 Waqas 07.02.09 at 11:21 am

Walaikum-as-salam Wa Rehmatullahe Wa Baraka Tu Hu

Brother Sameer, I am happy that you commented on the article, so first and for most thank you for that. Secondly, my intention in highlighting the text is not to distract the audience but for them to focus on it. I am not a Prophet or a Messenger and nor do I claim to have every single piece of information about Islam but I do share what I know to be true =). As for your points, I shall answer them and inshALLAH it will be convincing enough.

1. (A)The opposite of Haram (Forbidden) is Halal (compulsory) and opposite of Makrooh (not recommended) is Wajib (Highly recommended, some scholars will also translate wajib as almost equavalent to fard).
(B) Difference between Lahwal Hadith and Haram is, Haram is something that has been told not only in the Hadith but also the Quran and should not be acted upon. Lahwal Hadiths are Hadiths referring to Music and also include the reference of the Duff as being permissible.
(C) Not all Lahwal Hadeeth (Hadeeth that refer to music or purchase of Music or purchase of instruments or singers) are Haram.

2. If there is a Hadith that shows music as Halal then please refer to it, also look into the context and the instruments referred too, there is a large misconception about some Hadith that are used to prove music as Halal, for example when the Prophet came back from war people were celebrating and were playing duff, therefore duff is considered Halal but there are clear and authentic Hadith that forbid any other instrumental use.

3. Hazrat Dawood (pbuh) did not use any musical instruments, the word that is mostly confused in this sense is the word “Mizmar” which was originally confused with a flute but in this context it is used as a beautiful voice.

This is like when Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) described singing as the flutes or musical instruments of the Shaytaan, as al-Bukhaari (3931) and Muslim (892) narrated from ‘Aa’ishah that Abu Bakr entered upon her when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was with her on the day of (Eid) al-Fitr or Adha, and there were two young girls singing lines of poetry that were said by the Ansaar on the day of Bu’aath. Abu Bakr said: Flutes of the Shaytaan! The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Let them be, O Abu Bakr, for every people has its Eid and our Eid is this day.”

The two young girls did not have a flute or musical instrument with them, but he (may Allaah be pleased with him) called singing the flute of the shaytaan, likening it to that because he found it displeasing.

4. I dont point out singing because not all forms of singing are Haram, people who recite naats, hamds and nasheeds without music is Halal.

5. Regarding duff, Duff is an instruments that makes a beat, it does not music. In singing music there are various position for example a soprano, an alto, a tenant, similarly in music there are classifications, a duff does not make music but a beat, on a duff you can not imitate human sounds unlike a guitar or a violin where you can imitate human voices which is intoxicating, if a person is playing a guitar one would listen to it and love it, but a duff will never intoxicate you with the quality of music. I know so because I use to be a guitarist and now I play a duff/dhol

6. Speakers are not musical instruments, they are amplifiers of sound, the original speaker was not invented for the purpose of music but for gathering large crowds.

You are getting confused in what is the purpose of an object and the use of it. Computer per say is not Haram, but if you watch porn on it, it is Haram. Television per say is not Haram, but if you watch indian songs on it, it is. Imagine it this way, if there is a TV lying in your house that does not work, is that TV haram? It is not for it is just a box, it is the use of the Television that makes it Haram, not its presence.

7. Brother even sneezing is harmful for you, staying under water for more then 3 seconds is harmful for you. Eating any form of fat is harmful for you even not eating meat is harmful for you. As for science, science is not the bases of my argument because we all know science many a time takes U turns.
-150 years ago, science claimed the earth was flat
-100 years ago science said earth is the center of the earth
-10 years ago, science said Sun is stationary

Today, even as close as 10 years ago, science has been proven wrong and today we know that the sun also rotates on an axis. So science is not the rope I am hanging on rather on fundamentals and teachings of Islam.

8) Please refer to the Hadith regarding Quran revealing in Shahban. Quran might have also revealed in Shahban that is 100% possible, because it was revealed over 23 years and not all in one day, so that is possible that Quran was also revealed in Shahban but please refer to the Hadith and I will try ti provide the exact context. Also, there are 20,000 Hadith in Sahih Bukhari and there is only 1 method of Prayer in the Sahih Bokhari and there is no contradictory method in the Sahih Hadith. (please give reference to both hadiths you are referring too)

9) The Quran gives a general discription of that and the Surah I have quoted Surah Luqman, Chapter #31 Verse #6, also where does the Quran forbid smoking cigarette or doing drugs ? It gives a general layout, it provides you the category and you can list things that fall in that category.

I hope this has helped you, sorry for making it too long but this is what was minimum required. I hope to hear from you again because this way both of our Imaan with get strengthen.

Assalam-u-alaikum

53 Sameer 07.11.09 at 9:45 pm

Salaam!
First of all, I’m apologetic for a late reply. I’ve went through all your reply (with a smile ) I appreciate your efforts to reply to my post. However, I think I would have to deviate from the topic by first explaining HOW SIHA SITTA can not actually be SAHEEH.

Let me start from the Sha’ban hadeeth. Ibne Majah, Nisaee, Tirmadhi and Bayhaqi while discussing the importance of 15th of Sha’ban states that on this night, the decree of birth and death, and provisions of the people are made on this night and the angels come down by the God’s will on this very night. Now, what does Qur’an tells us about this? Consult Surah Qadar(The Night of Decree No. 97) , especially verse 4; “Therein descend the angels and the Spirit [Gabriel] by Allah’s Permission with all Decrees”. There are certain other places where Allah mentions in the Qur’an that it’s in Ramadan that these decrees take place and NOT what these so-called saheehs state.

Now come to Bukhari. A dilemma about our basic beliefs that it puts us in…
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: ‘Umar said, Ubai was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur’an) yet we leave some of what he recites.’ Ubai says, ‘I have taken it from the mouth of Allah’s Apostle and will not leave for anything whatever.” [Volume 6, Book 61, Number 527]

From this hadeeth, we see an indication that one of Prophet’s top teachers of the Qur’an, one of the ones Prophet himself said we should turn to if we are to learn the Qur’an, says that he heard Prophet reveal a verse that others have left out of the Qur’an. Now either (1) Ubay was right about this verse, and it was left out of the Qur’an mistakenly, or (2) Ubay was wrong about this verse, and the Prophet did a poor job picking his top teachers (especially if, as Muslims usually purport, there were many huffaz at that time who could have corrected his false understanding)

One of the ahadeeth states: “Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar; Allah’s Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.” [Volume 4, Book 54, Number 540]
Coming to another hadeeth “Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “A prostitute was forgiven by Allah, because, passing by a panting dog near a well and seeing that the dog was about to die of thirst, she took off her shoe, and tying it with her head-cover she drew out some water for it. So, Allah forgave her because of that.” [Volume 4, Book 54, Number 538]

Is that a contradiction or deprivation from a possibility of good deed by killing the dogs? Qur’an says at one place: “And those beasts and birds of prey (INCLUDING DOGS) which you have trained as hounds, training and teaching them (to catch) in the manner as directed to you by Allah; so eat of what they catch for you” [5:4] So, if all the dogs have to be killed, how would you train them to catch your prey or give them water when panted???

54 Waqas 07.12.09 at 6:56 am

Your point being ?

55 Sameer 07.12.09 at 9:23 am

I tried to post sevaral ahadeeth more but I don’t know why it didn’t appear with my post. The point was just to highlight some issues that any man with little conscience and logic can tell that ahadeeth could be fabricated or false. Anyway, ignoring the sex ahadeeth, i’ll try to post some of the ahadeeth again…

We all know it very well that urine is an extremely NAJIS (impure) thing. Even its slight sprinkling on clothes makes one impure. Let’s see what SAHEEH bukhari states in the BOOK OF MEDICINE;
“Narrated Anas: The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron.” [Volume 7, Book 71, Number 590 (also see Number 623)]

According to this hadeeth, the Prophet of Pure ordered them to DRINK URINE. Not only this, see the QISAS for murdering the shepherd. The culprits were punished by their hands cut and their eyes branded with heated iron.

Also regarding QISAS of DHIMMI, it is found in ahadeeth that if a non-muslim kills a muslim, he shall have a death punishment but if a muslim kills a non-muslim, he shall not be killed but imposed with a fine [Bukhari Hadith 9.50 Narrated by Abu Juhaifa and Abu-Dawood Hadith 2745 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As]

Now let’s see what Qur’an tells us about Qisas:

“And We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the wrong-doers.” [5:45]

“O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman…. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty.” [2:178]

56 Sameer 07.12.09 at 9:25 am

Coming to another strange hadeeth of Bukhari:
“Narrated Abu Huraira: (The Prophet) Solomon son of (the Prophet) David said, “Tonight I will go round (i.e. have sexual relations with) one hundred women (my wives) everyone of whom will deliver a male child who will fight in Allah’s Cause.” On that an Angel said to him, “Say: ‘If Allah will.’ ” But Solomon did not say it and forgot to say it. Then he had sexual relations with them but none of them delivered any child except one who delivered a half person. The Prophet said, “If Solomon had said: ‘If Allah will,’ Allah would have fulfilled his (above) desire and that saying would have made him more hopeful.” [Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 169]
Now let us suppose that the night is of 10 hrs and assuming that all the hundred wives are on a single GIGANTIC bed (so that there would be no commutation time), so it means he would be giving around 6 minutes to each wife. Incredibly amazing, don’t u think? Or maybe lack of time was also one of the reasons of not having a child.

57 Sameer 07.12.09 at 10:14 am

Regarding RAJM (stoning to death), let’s see some ahadeeth:
“Stoning is in the Book of GOD. It is the right punishment for a person who commits adultery if the required witnesses are available, or there was pregnancy without marriage or adultery is admitted.”
“When the verses “Rajm” [Stoning] and ayah “Rezah Kabir” descended, they were written on a piece of paper and kept under my pillow. Following the demise of Prophet Muhammad (S) a goat ate the piece of paper while we were mourning.
Refer also 1. Sunan Ibne Majah, Volume 2, Page 39, Published Karachi, 2. Musnad Imam Ahmad, Volume 6, Page 269, Published Beirut and 3. Taweel Mukhtalif Al Hadees, Page 310, Published Beirut.
There is also hadeeth that tells that monkeys were stoning to death a she-monkey and the passing by sahaba participated in that stoning ceremony [Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188]
Now if stoning to death is for a married woman, how would you explain the following verse?
“…and when they (married slave women) are taken in marriage, then if they are guilty of indecency, they shall suffer half the punishment which is (inflicted) upon free women…” [4:25]
It means that if a free woman who is married commits adultery, she shall be stoned to death, and if a slave woman who is married commits adultery, she shall receive half of the punishment, i.e. stoning her half to death???

58 Sameer 07.12.09 at 10:20 am

(contd.)
Qur’an has mentioned the word RAJM at 5 different places:
In Surah 26:116 Noah was threatened with stoning by the pagan disbelievers.
In Surah 19:46 Abraham’s father who was a pagan disbeliever threatens to stone Abraham.
In Surah 18:20 the Companions of the Cave (Ashaabul Kahfi) are in fear of being stoned by the pagan disbelievers.
In Surah 36:18 three messengers are threatened with stoning by the pagan disbelievers.
In Surah 11:91 the Prophet Shuaib is threatened with stoning by the pagan disbelievers.
So, who was the party to rajm? Apparently, the DISBELIEVERS… So, what would be the punishment in this regard? Refer to the Qur’an in the following verses:
“(As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to GOD, if you believe in GOD and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement.”[24:2]
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I think this explanation (though lengthy enough) would suffice to make you understand how ahadeeth (of which we call to be most authentic after Qur’an) can be false, fake and contradictory.
Next, I shall come back to the point of how music is NOT be HARAM… :)

59 Sameer 07.14.09 at 1:16 pm

Prophet David used to sing his Psalms. Psalms (zaboor) itself means a sacred song. Some don’t believe but Prophet David used musical instruments too. Besides Musnad of Abdur Razzaq, Psalms of David also mentions his use instruments, particulary that ones which some molvis consider HARAM (without any sound evidence)
“I will sing a new song to You, O God; on a harp of ten strings I will sing praises to You.” (Psalms 144:9)
If we say the word “Mizmir” used in ahadeeth is not musical instruments but singing/beautiful voice, then Abu Musa also said: “Allah has prohibited and forbidden MIZMIR” so it means mizmir whether instrument or voice is HARAM???

60 Sameer 07.14.09 at 1:19 pm

Coming to some ahadeeth about singing and music (as you told me to mention);
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Narrates ‘A’ishah (rta): The Messenger (sws) of God came to my residence while two female singers were singing the songs of Bu‘ath. The Holy Prophet (sws) lay down and turned his face to the other side. Meanwhile Abu Bakr (rta) entered and [seeing the singers] rebuked me thus: ‘Satanic musical instruments in the presence of the Holy Prophet (sws)?’ On hearing this God’s Messenger (sws) turned towards him and said: ‘Let them [sing and rejoice]’. When Abu Bakr was engaged in some other business, I signalled to the girls [to go out] and they left. It was on the ‘Id day. (Bukhari, No: 907)
This clearly tells the lawfulness of music and/or singing WITHOUT ANY OBJECTIONS
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Umm-i-Salamah narrates: A slave girl belonging to Hassan Ibn Thabit (rta) came to us on ‘Id al Fitr. Her hair was unkempt and she carried a tambourine and was singing [some song]. Umm-i-Salamah rebuked her. But the Holy Prophet (sws) said to her: ‘Ummi-i-Salamah, let her [sing and rejoice]. Certainly every nation has an ‘Id and this day is our ‘Id’. (Mu‘jam Al-Kabir, No: 558)
Singing with a musical instrument is clearly permissible in this hadeeth.
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Narrates Ibn ‘Abbas: ‘A’ishah (rta) arranged the marriage of a close Ansari girl. The Holy Prophet (sws) also came to attend the ceremony. He inquired from the people: ‘Have you sent forth the bride?’ ‘Yes’, they replied. ‘Did you send any singer with her?’ He asked. ‘A’ishah (rta) replied in the negative. The Holy Prophet (sws) then remarked: ‘The Ansar cherish singing. It would be better that you sent along with her a singer who would sing ‘We have come to you; we have joined you. Peace be upon us. Peace be upon you.’ (Ibn Majah, No: 1900)
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‘A’ishah (rta) reports: An Ansari girl lived under my guardianship and I arranged her marriage. The Holy Prophet (sws) came to my house on the day she was married and did not hear any songs or any other joyful activities. [Observing this] he asked of me: ‘Did you people sing to her or not?’ ‘This is the tribe of the Ansar who like singing,’ he added. (Ibn Hibban, No: 5875)

The Prophet himself encouraged them to send and arrange a SINGER.
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Ibn ‘A’ishah narrates: When the Holy Prophet (sws) came to Madinah, the women and the children started singing: ‘The Moon has risen upon us from the hillocks of Wida‘. We owe gratitude [to God] as long as those who call God continue doing so. O Prophet (sws) you have brought a religion that is worthy to be followed’.

Again the people were singing in front of him and nobody has got to be condemned by the Prophet.
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Narrates Anas Ibn Malik: [Having entered the city], the Holy Prophet (sws) passed through a certain part of the town. Suddenly some slave girls appeared singing on the Daff the following ditty: ‘We are the slave girls of Bani Najjar. How lucky! This day the Holy Prophet (sws) has come to be our neighbor’. At this the Holy Prophet (sws) remarked: ‘God knows that I love you people’ (Ibn Majah, No: 1899)

It means that the Prophet loved the ones who were using Ma’azif
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Narrates Salama Ibn Al-Akwa‘: ‘We set off for Khaybar in the company of the Holy Prophet (sws) at night. A man from the group said to ‘Amir: ‘O ‘Amir, would not you let us hear your poetry?’ ‘Amir who was a Hida poet got down and started reciting for the people [the following verses]: ‘O God, were not it for your guidance, we could not have been able to offer the Salah and pay the Zakah. So please forgive our sins that [we have committed] and the ones we may commit in future. We are ready to offer our lives for your cause. Grant us perseverance when faced [with the enemy] and pour down your mercy upon us. [We are the people] who refuse to surrender when the enemy challenges us to fight. And [we leave them] to cry for help against us’. The Holy Prophet asked: ‘Who is that singer?’ They replied: ‘‘Amir bin Al-Akwa‘’. ‘God bless him’, prayed the Holy Prophet (sws). (Bukhari, No: 3960)

Again the singing is not shunned by the Prophet.
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The Holy Prophet had a Had, Anjashah. He had a very sweet sound. [During one of his journeys] the Holy Prophet (sws) said to him: ‘Slow down, Anjashah, lest you should break the delicate goblets. Qatadah explained that the Prophet (sws) was referring to delicate women. (Bukhari, No: 5857)

The Prophet had his own singer for his entertainment????
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Narrates Rabi‘, daughter of Mu‘wwadh: On the occasion of my transfer to my husband’s home after marriage, the Holy Prophet (sws) came to visit us and sat down on my bed just as you [the next narrator] are sitting before me now. Some slave girls were beating the Daff and singing in lamentation of their forefathers who had been killed during the battle of Badr. Then one of the girls sang: ‘Among us is the Prophet (sws) who knows even what will happen in coming days’. At this, the Holy Prophet (sws) said: ‘Do not say this, but go on singing. (Bukhari, No: 3779)

Ma’azif again without any condemnation except over the controversial part of the song

61 Sameer 07.14.09 at 1:25 pm

The Holy Prophet (sws) said: ‘the only thing that distinguishes the allowable act (i.e. Nikah) from the forbidden one (fornication) is the beat of the tambourine and open declaration of the Nikah. 14 (Ibn Majah, No: 1896)
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Narrates Sa’ib Ibn Yazid: A woman came to the Holy Prophet (sws). He asked ‘A’ishah (rta): ‘Do you know her?’ ‘No, O Prophet (sws) of God’ she replied. ‘This is the female professional singer of such and such tribe. Do you want her to sing to you?’ So the woman sang for her. (Bayhaqi, No: 8940)

A professional singer sang on the request of the Prophet for Aisha. Still we believe in singing to be a sinful act?
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Narrates ‘A’ishah (rta): The Holy Prophet (sws) was present among us when suddenly we heard children creating noise. The Holy Prophet (sws) stood up. [We found out] that a black slave woman was dancing encircled by children. The Holy Prophet (sws) [called me] saying: ‘‘A’ishah (rta), come and watch’. I came [to him] placed my chin over the Prophet’s shoulders and watched through the space between his shoulders and head. The Holy Prophet (sws) asked many times: ‘Have you not got enough of it?’ In order to know how he cares for me I continued replying in the negative. Meanwhile ‘Umar (rta) came and the gathering disbursed [seeing him]. At this the Holy Prophet commented: ‘I see that (even) the devils from among the Jinn and the humans have fled at ‘Umar arrival.’ (Tirmidhi, No: 3691)

I was amazed to see that some tirmidhi collections have even skipped this hadeeth.
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Abdullah Ibn Buridah narrates on the authority of his father: The Holy Prophet (sws) returned from some of his military expeditions. A black slave girl approached him and said: ‘I had vowed to beat the Daff before you if God brought you back unhurt’. The Holy Prophet replied: ‘If you have, then proceed’. She started beating the Daff. Meanwhile Abu Bakr (rta) came and she continued beating it. Later when ‘Umar (rta) came she covered her instrument under herself as soon as she saw him. At this the Holy Prophet (sws) commented: ‘‘Umar, even Satan fears you’. (Bayhaqi, No: 19888)
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Anas (rta) narrates: Black slaves were dancing in front of the Messenger (sws) of God and sang the following words: ‘Muhammad (sws) is a pious person’. The Holy Prophet (sws) [did not understand their utterances] and asked what they were saying. The people replied: ‘they say that Muhammad (sws) is a pious person’. (Ahmad, No: 12562)
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The Hadith literature contains enough evidence to the fact that professional dancers from among the Abyssinian slaves used to perform before the Arabs. The nobles of Arabia would not consider enjoying such performances as undesirable.

Narrates ‘A’ishah (rta): Once on an ‘Id day the Abyssinian slaves came and started dancing in the mosque. The Holy Prophet (sws) called me. I placed my head on the Holy Prophet’s shoulder and started watching their performance. [The Holy Prophet did not stop me] until I myself got tired of watching them and turned away. (Muslim, No: 892)
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Anas Ibn Malik narrates that when the Prophet (sws) passed by a clan of Bani Najjar, he noticed some slave girls were singing on Daff: ‘We are the singers of Bani Najjar. We are lucky enough to have the Prophet (sws) as our neighbour today’. Then the Prophet (sws) said: ‘God knows that my heart feels affection for you people’. (Al-Mu‘jam Al-Saghir, No: 78)
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So many times we see Ma’azif (in all its three forms) in front of the Prophet. And we still claim the authenticity of Ahadeeth that states music to be haram. We quote hadeeth telling us that molten lead will be poured in ears of those who would listen to a songstress, yet the Prophet himself encouraged to arrange a singer and requested songstresses to sing and use MA’AZIF.

There are hadeeth that forbid listening to a singing voice and there r hadeeth that permit and encourages singing. Would both of them be authentic? Same is the case of music and its instruments. We find some hadeeth prohibiting music and its instruments while some shows NO OBJECTION over its use. And then we say that this and this instrument is halal and this and this instrument is haram, referring to ulemas’ sayings with having no solid and sound proof that the Prophet had ever said so. I never heard any hadeeth stating “DAFF is not a musical instrument” or “DAFF makes no music” or even “I prohibit all instruments except DAFF…including the instruments invented after” so it wont be wise to argue over it…

62 Sameer 07.14.09 at 1:47 pm

Ofcourse some people would ask “how do you think that the hadeeth that prohibits music is not saheeh and that which permits it would be acceptable?” The answer is simple… Refer to the Qur’an. About singing, God says in the Qur’an “Sing Glory and Praise to their Lord” [40:7]. Moreover, there is no verse that clearly indicates music to be Haram. I’ve seen brother Waqas justifying his stance from the following verse:
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“And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allah’s path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement.”[31:6]
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I don’t understand how your conscience makes you believe that music is forbidden in this verse. You quote this verse as focusing on this part of another verse “O you who believe! Do not approach the prayer…” [4:43] without pointing out the reason which is stated next to these wordings “…when you are in a drunken state…” It’s absurd to justify that Allah has forbidden to approach the prayer without mentioning the drunken condition. Similarly in [31:6], the word Lahwal hadeeth is prohibited when it is TO LEAD ASTRAY from Allah’s path. We don’t coinsider other lahwal hadeeth (especially “idle talk” that carries its literal meaning) HARAM except music. Why so? Even I see you convinced that music does not fulfill HARAM requirements. So, is it Biasedness? Or is it that some ulema have said so? When once the Prophet was reciting the Qur’an and said about the Christians that they make their priests their God, Adee Bin Hatim (who was himself a Christian priest before conversion to Islam) said “O Prophet, christians don’t call/make their priests as God”; to this the Prophet replied in aggression “don’t you make things halal that they say is halal for you and abstain from things that they label as HARAM???”
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My dear friend, if a TV not in use and kept in a box is not a TV and not HARAM, what do you think about a piano or a guitar kept in a box and not in use? ? You said DAFF emits not a music but a beat. It was funny to know that. Music is any “agreeable, pleasing sound”. Beat is itself a basic rhythmic unit of music. About speakers, they may be amplifiers but they are themselves a sort of instrument. Those who forbid music but permit singing make a lame rule that any rhythmic sound coming out of human beings is not music, but any such sound coming out of any non-living thing is a music and is HARAM… lol… God condemns innovated prohibitions [see 7:32] Logically and technically speaking, human voices can imitate sounds of instruments, and sounds of human beings or living things have the same characteristics to acquit a music.
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Allah says in Qur’an: “Say: Tell me what provisions Allah has sent down for you, then you make of it unlawful and lawful. Say: Has Allah commanded you, or do you forge a lie against Allah?” [10:59]

“And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah or (he who) gives the lie to His communications; surely the unjust will not be successful.” [6:21]
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If someone says that Qur’an is incomplete regarding stating things that are Haram, Allah answers to this as: “… and He has already made plain to you what He has forbidden to you…” [6:119]

“Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained ?” [6:114]

“For We had certainly sent unto them a Book, based on knowledge, which We explained in detail,- a guide and a mercy to all who believe.” [7:52]

“Alif Laam Raa. (This is) a Book, with verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning), further explained in detail,- from One Who is Wise and Well-acquainted (with all things)” [11:1]
“A Book whereof the Verses are explained in detail A Quran in Arabic for people who know.” [41:3] There are several more places like 12:111 and 16:89 in which Allah tells that the book contains everything in detail.
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Everything in the Qur’an has been mentioned regarding Haram (i.e. prohibitions): “(It is) a Qur’an in Arabic, without any crookedness (therein): in order that they may guard against Evil.” [39:28] So, why didn’t Allah mention about Music or Singing, something of serious issue of which we say to bear BIGGESST PUNISHMENT? Was he short of words? Or did he forget to mention it? Allah tells “…and your Lord is not forgetful.” [19:64]
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Sorry for making it too long but I’m sure it won’t be waste of time for u. I don’t force you to follow my point of view. I’ve just stated the facts and it is you to judge now with your own brain (without any prejudice) to see what is right and what is wrong… (Even if you don’t agree to my point, at least you won’t call it HARAM anymore :) )

63 Waqas 07.16.09 at 9:40 pm

Brother Sameer

You are very confused on many point of Islam and specially regarding the part of Zaboor.

Your views are your views but this is a study done that covers all the points regarding music. You will need adobe for this. Please look into it

http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/books/Music%20and%20Singing.pdf

This covers all the points you have made. =)

Regards

Waqas

64 Sameer 07.16.09 at 11:20 pm

I’m amazed that the clarification of “making lawful illegal sex,alcohol and music” hadeeth has been censored during moderation :)

Anyway, my message is conveyed to you. Now if u still stick to that false hadeeth, its up to “Laa Ikraaha fiddeen=No compulsion in Deen” [Baqara]

I noticed your article saying “Why is it that it is so hard for a normal teenager or adult to stop listening to music?” Let me tell you that i avoided listening to music since i was a baby. I heard it was HARAM as u heard abt it. I used to put fingers in my ear when there was any music. I abstained from it till i was around 18. I’ve spent most of my (dark) teenage without music. Even now, i’m 22 y o, i dont feel too addictive. Days pass by without listening to music. However, i feel more relaxed and fresh when i listen to some music.

Last thing I’d tell you… Even if u think ahadeeth forbidding music r good, they are abrogated by now as Allah says in the Qur’an “All good things are made lawful for you (from) THIS DAY” [Sura Maida]. The question is WHICH DAY? Previous to this verse Allah says “THIS DAY, we have completed your religion for you…”

wallahu a’lum

65 Sameer 07.17.09 at 11:59 am

Sorry, I did not see your reply before my last post. I dont believe you’ve referred to such a confused book…

At times, it shows all types of singing and music is haram, referring to abu hanifa & other HUMANLY ulemas and quoting other hadeeth that even daff (’azf) is PROHIBITED while mentioning other hadeeth that singing and instruments are permitted. That author mentions logically the distractions caused by music and singing but in JIHAD & ITS ADJUNCT glorifies its benefits to muster up courage. How hypocritical i’d say!!! He refers to anything against music to be AUTHENTIC. You can judge his credibiliy where he states a fabricated hadeeth “Singing sprouts hypocrisy in the heart as rain sprouts herbs and greens” to be “AUTHENTIC” [Read the detailed explanation of 97th or 98th hadeeth in "100 Fabricated Hadeeth"].

I’m not amazed by that author not to discuss the issue of WEARING OF SILK in that very same hadeeth. =) I’m also not amazed when people try to rationalize a SO-CALLED HARAM thing to be allowed and permissible on special occasions :p

Anyway, enough is said about music. The rest is up to the minds. In the end, I offer those people to drink camel’s urine whosoever claims everything contained in Bukhari and other hadeeth to be AUTHENTIC and SAHEEH [Volume 7, Book 71, Number 590 (also see Number 623)]hehehe

66 Waqas 07.18.09 at 7:36 pm

That camel urine is to avoid sickness, please dont insult your religion when you dont know the pretext of the Hadith. Your allowed to eat pork if there is no food and your going to die.

So its in extreme cases to avoid sickness, and this is what I mean by you being confused. How is eating pork, an animal that eats its own fieces worse then camel urine. We do something in extreme situations and this is what non muslims do all the time. =)

67 Sameer 07.19.09 at 1:03 pm

I remember when i go to Pakistan, the change doesnt suit me for some time. So, if I dont find a camel, can i try cow’s urine? :p
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My dear friend, I wasnt insulting my PURE religion. It was just about the fabrications that insult our religion. Pork is explicitly mentioned to be permissible in case of necessity, i.e. u have nothing else to eat. The Prophetic Medication (Tibb Annabwee) has got so many things to treat sickness (like Black Seed, honey, barley, olive oil, dates etc.) and i dont think Madina ever lacked (at least) any of such resources. Still we blame Prophet to use such wierd medications? It is like curing a flue with wine when you already have a Panadol CF :p Even then if you think it to be actions of the Prophet, you should prove it whenever you fall ill :)
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We can never understand these things unless we remove the word SAHIH from our books. HOWCOME? Because Believing in these books completely means believing that our Qur’an is not in its complete form with us these days[See Sahih Muslim, Book 005, Number 2286; and Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 527]. Qur’an at several places mentions that Allah created the universe in SIX days whereas SAHIH MUSLIM tells that Allah created everything in SEVEN days [Book 039, Number 6707]. Sahih Muslim tells that Allah will put the burden of bad deeds of a muslim (even equal to mountain) over Jews or Christians instead [Book 037, Number 6668] whereas Qur’an tells every person shall be rewarded as per his own deeds [6:164, 3:199,53:38-41]. Not only this, Qur’an mentions that even Jews and Christians will be awarded for their good deeds [3:199, 5:69]

To your astonishment, Musnad Ahmed quotes few hadeeth that Prophet condemned recording of Hadeeth or anything other than Qur’an. But then, what is Musnad Ahmed? :)
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Have you ever wondered why there are contradictions within ahadeeth and ahadeeth with Qur’an? It’s because it is not from God “… And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many contradictions.” [4:82]

68 RABIA 08.18.09 at 6:01 pm

waqas bhai u did exellent job being a muslim..MASHALLAH..

69 Ramzan shah 09.15.09 at 5:51 pm

salam…….purely on the notes provided by both waqas and sameer,i thnk so sameer has won the battle..amazing dude…….waqas u r not bad.very kooooooll dude

70 Waqas 09.16.09 at 11:48 pm

I dont think this was anything like a battle, its was more or less and exchange of views and I still do stick with my opinion on it keeping in mind

Book #69, Hadith #494 From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.

So Prophet (pbuh) has already warned us about people considering it lawful, so I did my part, take what ever positive you fine =)

71 Yasir Umair 11.25.09 at 9:28 am

There is a movie named (KHUDA KEY LIYE). I think it was released about two years ago and above all it is a Pakistani production. If any of my discussion fellows have seen this movie before or those who haven’t seen it yet. Let me tell you that this movie spreads a clear message from an authentic source that music is not haraam in Islam.
I don’t remember the source. watch the last 15 minutes of the movie and you’ll get that.

72 Samina Khan 01.07.10 at 4:37 pm

This is to Yasir Umair-So you are gonna ignore the hadith and take your guidance from a movie? I’ve heard it all now.

73 USMAN Hashmani 01.08.10 at 11:03 am

We are not an authority to declare that music is Halal.All Ulemas of different “Muktaba-e-Fikar” are agreed in the light of Quran & sunnah that Music & poetry both are Haram.Dont go in deep,dont try to find a logic.Don’t try to find a midway.Once it is said Haram, is Haram,at the day of judgement present your logics over there.Why we don’t get a point bcz our every move in life is against Shariah thats why we don’t get the point.

74 Waqas Ali 01.10.10 at 1:54 am

I am not so sure about following what the Ullemas say because for one, Ullemas believe in sects and sects in Islam are Haaram. Ullemas are also humans and all humans make mistake. Follow what is clearly said in the Hadith and Quran and regardless of what any Ullema says. =)

75 Yasir Umair 02.06.10 at 10:10 am

This is to Samina Khan. I was not declaring that Music is halal or haram in Islam. But i dont know which hadith are talking about. Please if your giving a statement or something please give an authentic source with it. Thanks.

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